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Subject: Private auto financing
Category: Business and Money
Asked by: rdkeesee-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 02 Oct 2002 18:15 PDT
Expires: 01 Nov 2002 17:15 PST
Question ID: 71855
I am an individual (not a dealer) selling my car. I would like to
offer financing to whoever is the new buyer. I live in San Francisco,
CA.
Do I have to be a licensed dealer to finance auto purchases?
How can I avoid the obvious potential pitfalls?
What information should I get from the purchaser? 
How can I do a credit check? 
Where can I get a sample financing contract on-line?
Answer  
Subject: Re: Private auto financing
Answered By: larre-ga on 05 Oct 2002 03:57 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Thanks for asking!

Like you, my very first automobile purchase was made possible with a
private loan, coincidentally in California. I'll be happy to explore
the basic legal and practical aspects of this process for you. The
fine print: answers offered by Google Answers and their Research
contractors are intended for informational purposes only, and should
not be mistaken for professional advice. That said, I'll endeavor to
give the most complete and correct information I can. Let's take the
questions one by one.

1) Do I have to be a licensed dealer to finance auto purchases?

No, you may offer to finance the sale of your car without a license.
There are a number of laws that apply to automobile financing by
licensed lenders (yes, California DOES license commercial lenders),
among them, the Automobile Sales Finance Act, the California
Commercial Code, and California's ursary laws (reference links listed
below). However, detailed study of the subject may be shortcut by
obtaining a contract template specifically tailored to meeting
California's contract requirements. Your financing arrangement would
be covered by a contract known as a Promissory Note.

State of California
Finance Lenders Law
http://www.corp.ca.gov/pub/lender.htm

Cardreport.com offers a helpful menu of California lending laws,
although the site itself can be visually annoying. I recommend turning
off images before clicking the links.

Cardreport.com
California Credit Laws
http://www.cardreport.com/laws/california/california-laws.html

Title IV - Loan
Chapter 3. Loan of Money
California Civil Code Section 1912-1916.12
http://www.cardreport.com/laws/california/1912-1916-12.html

State of California
California Commercial Code Table of Contents
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calawquery?codesection=com&codebody=&hits=20
California Corporations Code Table of Contents
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calawquery?codesection=corp&codebody=&hits=20


2) How can I avoid the obvious potential pitfalls? 

You can minimize risk using the same analysis factors that commercial
lenders use to qualify loan applicants. There is little resource
information available online for the private lender, so let's look at
this aspect from a general consumer credit angle. The following
document, "What Qualifies You For Credit?" approaches the subject from
the lender's perspective. This document is offered in Word97 format,
which is readable via most word processors.

"Credit grantors gather information, primarily from your credit
application and a credit bureau report, to determine whether you will
be able and willing to repay your debt.  Are you a good risk?  In
other words, credit grantors want to know if you are creditworthy. 
Creditworthiness is based on a number of things, often referred to as
the six “C’s” of credit.

The important thing to remember is that every credit application is
analyzed in relationship to these six “C’s.”  This is true whether or
not a risk score is assigned.  And this approach applies to
applications processed both manually and by automated systems.

The Six “C’s” of Credit

The intent of this analysis is to determine:  1) Will the borrower
pay? (character or credit reputation); 2) Can the borrower pay?
(capacity); 3) Does the borrower have enough cash on hand to pay if a
period of adversity arises? (capital); 4) Will something adversely
affect the borrower’s ability to pay? (conditions); 5) Will the credit
issuer be protected if the borrower fails to repay the loan?
(collateral); and 6) Does the borrower demonstrate an ability to make
wise decisions? (common sense)."

CBM Credit Education Foundation, Inc.
What Qualifies You For Credit?
http://www.cbmfoundation.org/files/4.doc

You may require a good deal of background information, including
personal references and credit references. Personal references may
assume a much greater importance in this type of loan. You'll have to
verify those references directly. When checking personal references,
make a list of questions about the applicant that will enable you to
gain an understanding of his/her reliability in monetary matters and
personal responsibility. The usual limiting factor would be to avoid
questions that are discriminatory, on the basis of race, gender, etc.
If I were doing this myself, I'd explain to the buyer that I required
personal references from people s/he'd known for a reasonable period
of time, who could attest to his/her reliability in financial matters,
and who could verify some aspect of his/her sense of responsibility as
demonstrated as an employee, a customer, or friend. Those used as
personal references have a greater degree of freedom to disclose
information about an individual.

Simply by offering a private loan, you may require an interest rate
that is higher than commercial loan sources, which reflects the higher
risk. You might also require that repayment be set up through an
automated monthly payment system. Check with your own bank, most are
happy to setup or administer this sort of arrangement for you. The
cost can be added into the sales price or passed along directly as a
loan service fee.

Since you don't have all of the credit checking resources available to
a commercial institution, it would be prudent to require copies of any
relevant financial documents to support and/or the information
supplied by the buyer. You can think of this as the "old fashioned"
loan, the standard of yesterday, before the full blossoming of
computerized records. Be sure to ask for identity verification
documents, including Social Security number.

Think about the consequences of delinquency or default. You'd have
legal remedies that can be undertaken by agents on your behalf
(repossession specialists), but you should probably decide in advance
if you willing to carry the process that far, if needed.

Consumer Information: Automobile Repossession (California)
http://www.weblocator.com/attorney/ca/law/c05.html#cac050500

Another potential pitfall is the tax implications of lending. It might
be wise to consult your tax advisor or preparer, so that you can best
evaluate the tax impact of this source of income.

Risk is inherent in this type of transaction. You can only minimize it
with prudent precautions, not avoid it completely.


3) What information should I get from the purchaser?  

You should obtain the same information as any commercial lender. You
might obtain several credit application from commercial automobile
lenders for comparison. Individual credit application templates are
also available at most stationery or business supply stores. I'll link
sources below for online download of applications. You might also
create an additional form of your own which asks for detailed
information such as why the buyer is seeking private financing,
additional personal references, or even a detailed income/expense
listing. You'll also need a form which gives written permission for
you to obtain credit verification and other background information.


4) How can I do a credit check? 

The simplest way? Use your computer. As part of the application
process, have the buyer use your system to obtain his own credit
report. This however, may raise privacy issues. You'd have to
negotiate with the buyer for a release of liability, and probably be
willing to take steps to isolate and remove the information entered by
the buyer, after the process is complete. Alternatively, you may
obtain credit reports through a credit reporting agency. You'll need a
signed release, as mentioned above in the Applications section.

Google Directory
Credit Reports
http://directory.google.com/Top/Business/Financial_Services/Credit_and_Collection/Credit_Reports/

5) Where can I get a sample financing contract on-line?

Here's a Promissory Note sample by GMAC for an automobile finance
contract. It shows the typical clauses and provisions of such a
contract, however, it's not specifically worded for California law.

Promissory Note Sample
http://contracts.corporate.findlaw.com/agreements/wwf/gmac.note.1997.12.12.html

You may obtain California documents, ready for use, from a number of
online legal template services. I've used several of these services
for my own business, notably when visiting an out-of-town prospects,
closing a sale unexpectedly, needing a competent contract, and not
having access to my usual attorney.

U.S. Legal Forms
http://www.uslegalforms.com/business_legal_form.htm

From the text menu, select the forms for Automotive Bill of Sale, or
Application (Credit). On the customization page, select CA as the
state. You'll be able to view .pdf samples before purchase.

Additional, similar sources:

JurisDocuments 
Legal Forms for California and other states
http://www.humboldt1.com/~cbender/

Legal Law Forms
http://www.legallawforms.com/

Free, generic Business Forms are available from the 'Lectric Law
Library. Useful for comparison, these are really "use at your own
risk" forms which may not cover California provisions.

'Lectric Law Library
Business and General Forms
http://www.lectlaw.com/formb.htm

Sample Debt Collection Letters
http://www.iwantmymoney.com/samplelet.htm

Google search terms
"private lending" 
California law automobile sales financing
private lending advice tips
consumer credit qualification
credit reporting agencies
legal forms

I hope these resources and this information is useful to you.
Hopefully, I've managed to demystify the lending process somewhat.
Should you have any questions about the material provided, please,
feel free to ask.

larre-ga

Clarification of Answer by larre-ga on 05 Oct 2002 14:50 PDT
An expert colleague has reminded me to include a direct reference to
California's Usary Law, which may apply to this sort of loan
transaction.

State of California - Office of the Attorney General
Usary - Consumer
http://caag.state.ca.us/consumers/general/usury.htm

The interest calculations under the Rees-Levering Act  (California's
Automobile Sales Finance Act)  are discussed, with examples, in this
article by Robert D. Daniels of Manning, Leaver, Bruder & Berberich:

Automobile Finance Charges:
A Quick Look at an Interest-ing Topic
http://www.manningleaver.com/legalease%20articles/finance_chargeslegalease.htm

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Additional resources:

CARLAW
Background, Case Law and Commentary on Automotive Law
http://www.carlaw.net/

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Request for Answer Clarification by rdkeesee-ga on 05 Oct 2002 21:01 PDT
Thanks Larre for the well thought answers to my many questions. Many
good points were made (tax implications, usury, six C's, etc.)

A few Q's
RE #3: I'd rather not buy a stack of credit application forms from a
Office Supply store when I only need one. Where can I locate a credit
application form on-line?

RE #5: The link you give is for a 12 million dollar commercial
mortgage, not an autoloan. GMAC does the mortgage thing too. And I
checked the other link you gave also with no avail. Where can I locate
an auto financing contract on-line?

Rodger

Clarification of Answer by larre-ga on 05 Oct 2002 22:25 PDT
Dear heavens! The promissory note displayed is completely different
than the one intended. Just a moment while I relocate the intended
URL. It *should* have been a link to an auto loan promissory note. I
can only imagine that I copied the incorrect link from the preceding
menu, rather than from the location bar. I'm blushing.

I've just rechecked the US Legal Forms URL, which seems to be working
properly.

http://www.uslegalforms.com/business_legal_form.htm

There are three columns of forms displayed. 

The ninth line in the first column is the  "Application - Credit"
form. You'll be able to download a single copy for printing.

Another 10 or so lines down the same column, you may select the
Automobile - Bill of Sale link, or a bit further, the Bill of Sale -
Automobile link. Both direct you to the same form.

The next page shows all states. Select California. From the five
results displayed, you'll want to explore the 2nd item down, which is
a "bundle" download of both the Bill of Sale, as well as an automotive
Promissory Note. There's an Information and Preview button just under
the title on the lefthand side. There's an order button on the right
side of the screen. The total package is $22.00 for the electronic
version of the forms. The Promissory Note and Bill of Sale may also be
purchased separately.

If you continue to have difficulty with this or any other of the
links, please let me know and I'll recheck them once again. In that
case, please also let me know which browser you use.

=l=

Clarification of Answer by larre-ga on 05 Oct 2002 23:34 PDT
For some strange reason, I'm drawing a blank on finding the intended
GMAC promissary note. It was a sample input via OCR on a site with
many such samples, accessible through FindLaw. It is elusive 24 hours
later. I apologize for the inconvenience. In lieu of that sample
document, here are two downloadable samples of promissory notes:

Free Legal Forms
http://www.free-legal-forms.com/promissory-note.html

Forms Guru - Free Forms
http://www.formsguru.com/forms/legal-forms/promnot2.html

Free Credit Application Form:

Entrepreneur.com
http://www.entrepreneur.com/Home/HM_Static/1,4472,formnet_collection,00.html

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Request for Answer Clarification by rdkeesee-ga on 06 Oct 2002 09:36 PDT
Thanks for the follow-up. I am still very intersted in the GMAC (or
some other large auto lender) contract. If you find the wandering GMAC
link then please post it here. Either way, consider this a job
well-done.

Clarification of Answer by larre-ga on 07 Oct 2002 11:44 PDT
Thank you. I will continue to pursue the disappearing GMAC Note link.

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rdkeesee-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Excellent sources cited and good suggestions too! Overall a thorough
consideration of this multi-part question.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Private auto financing
From: claudietta-ga on 02 Oct 2002 23:06 PDT
 
RDKeesee,

Before you consider this more seriously, you should think about why
this is not a common practice to begin with.  I think that this would
very financially risky for you.

Claudietta
Subject: Re: Private auto financing
From: rdkeesee-ga on 03 Oct 2002 07:33 PDT
 
Claudietta,

Thanks for the concern. It's "common practice" to not try new things
and always play it safe. That's not me. A man selling his car financed
my first car purchase when I was in college and didn't have any
credit. I would like to help someone else who needs a car but has
reasons for not getting a conventional loan (e.g. buying a house and
doesn't want a car loan on the credit report).

I also would like to reduce my risk as much as possible. What's the
worse that can happen? That's why I ask the original question...
Subject: Re: Private auto financing
From: claudietta-ga on 05 Oct 2002 11:33 PDT
 
Alrighty,

I'll explain to you my thought process.  I didn't have to time to
elaborate before.  And I do it from business theory, mostly.

1.	Individuals or companies that go into this type of business a) have
big pots of money and b) minimize risk by aggregating and diversifying
risks.  That is, in order to reach a target amount of profit at a high
certainty level, they must insure many people with different risk
factors.  Some will default and some will not.  The ones that do not,
make up for those that do default.   You insuring only this person
might incur a big loss (your worse case scenario) because as much as
you analyze someone’s financial past, there is absolutely nothing to
ensure that this person will not default in the future.  The problem
typically lies in measuring this risk.  Companies in this business get
better at predicting risks over time and with many persons, i.e. with
experience.
 
2.	Your opportunity cost is high.  You have many opportunities to do
different things with this money.  One is to put it in the bank, and
earn 5% on this. Although this is low, the risk is zero because the
bank will give it back when you need it.  Then you can invest it in
401k, stocks/bonds, which typically give you a moderate rate of
returns, and risks are typically moderate.  Last, you can also invest
in a high risk, but high outcome, investment such as a small business.
 The problem with you insuring this individual I am guessing that the
return will be low to moderate, and the risk is likely high. (In other
words, the outcome is not aligned with the risks.)

3.	The reason that I believe the risk may be high is the following. 
If he were low risk, there would be real companies that would want his
business with no resistance, and at low rates.  He should be able to
get a company to let him borrow money, and hand you the money so you
can reinvest it, or buy something you need.

4.	Last, the worse that could happen is that he finds something wrong
with the car (your fault or not) somewhere down the line, claim that
it is your fault, and not continue paying you based on that.  Or
worse, if he gets into some accident for any reason, claim it is a
problem with you car, sue you because the car would still be your
liability.  To resolve these matters, you’d need legal advice or a
court hearing, both or which are costly, time or money-wise.  The
worse that can happen is that you would lose the value of your car and
incur a potential lawsuit.
(Remember that when you sell you car, you sell all your liability).  

If you have a lot of money you should be able incur such loss. No big
deal, right.  However, it doesn’t make rational financial sense, at
least theoretically.

(Note: I would make exceptions if I had a personal stake in the person
e.g. family or best friend).

I know I haven’t explained well, but I hope you understand the
underlying ideas.

I just hope you get more advice on this before you do it,
Claudietta
Subject: Re: Private auto financing
From: claudietta-ga on 05 Oct 2002 11:44 PDT
 
...and not wanting a car loan on credit report because he is buying a
house, means that this person cannot affort the house and the car
together.  The house lenders have all sorts of methods for getting
their assets back.  You likely wont, so this situation in itself if a
redflag that this person is high risk.

...and the person that financed you in college is a sweet man, but a
bit irrational.

...the problem with the insurance business, is that it's been around
for a long time.  If it made sense for individuals to go into this,
more would do it.  In developing nations, I think this happens more
often, but they typically do not have competitive financial markets
nor legal systems that protect the consumer.  So people do it
'differently'.

Claudietta
Subject: Re: Private auto financing
From: claudietta-ga on 05 Oct 2002 11:49 PDT
 
Correction:

...and the person that financed you in college is a sweet man, but a
bit irrational OR not well-informed.
Subject: Re: Private auto financing
From: rdkeesee-ga on 05 Oct 2002 20:48 PDT
 
Claudietta,

What can I say? Thank you very much for taking the time to teach me a
thing or two. I really wanted to create a win-win (help someone out
and get a decent return on my money), but making myself vulnerable to
great loss is not the answer. You've shown me the effort required to
protect myself isn't worth the potential benifit.

Thanks, 
Rodger
Subject: Re: Private auto financing
From: claudietta-ga on 05 Oct 2002 22:37 PDT
 
Rodger,

I am glad you are open for suggestions.  You should be as informed as
possible about these sort of things, and make sure that you get as
much legal advice as possible.

Claudietta

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