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Origin of "bravo!" as shouted at opera performances
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Music Asked by: nautico-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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23 Apr 2006 04:16 PDT
Expires: 23 May 2006 04:16 PDT Question ID: 721924 |
I've always been a little amused at the shouts of "bravo!" that often accompany standing ovations at the end of opera performances. One never hears such a shout at the conclusion of symphonic performances or popular music concerts. Do I correctly assume that "bravo!", meaning "good!" in Italian, is a centuries old expression that originated among opera goers in Italy? I have the sense that today's American opera goers revel in using the expression as a way of proclaiming their membership in the in-crowd. Ya think? It's interesting that the US Navy's expression for "well done" is "bravo zulu," which represent the two signal flags denoting the phonetic version of the letters B and Z. Is there any connection between the "bravo" used by the Navy and the "bravo!" shouted at operas, or is this just a coincidence? |
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Re: Origin of "bravo!" as shouted at opera performances
Answered By: answerfinder-ga on 23 Apr 2006 08:20 PDT Rated: |
Dear nautico-ga, Are you ready for your lesson in opera etiquette? Bravo is indeed a term which originated in Italian opera. Its meaning has been variously described as meaning brave, clever, skilful, or bold, and is shouted by opera audiences to express approval of a performance. Italian opera became very popular in the 18th century Britain and many Italian operatic terms were adopted into the English language. According to the source below, Bravo?s first appearance in England is in 1761. I have found numerous 19th century examples of the word being used outside of opera as part of speech and writing, but these examples lessen in the 20th and 21st century, and from my own experience, to hear it used now is very rare. Sadly, it is now more well known as being used in the ICAO phonetic alphabet, which brings me onto ?Bravo Zulu?. ?Well done? was originally transmitted as ?Baker Zebra? and this was changed when the new ICAO alphabet was adopted. It is coincidence that ?Bravo Zulu? is used for ?well done?. Sources and further reading. Many opera sites have information on etiquette. Opera Colorado ?Bravo - Italian for "brave, courageous," it is a form of applause which is shouted by members of the audience at the end of an especially pleasing performance. Strictly speaking, "bravo" is for a single male; "brava" for a female; and "bravi" for more than one person.? http://www.operacolorado.org/education/index.aspx?pageID=120 http://www.operapacifica.org/pg_oracle.htm These books are available on amazon - use their search inside feature with the search word: bravo English Words : History and Structure (Paperback) by Robert Stockwell, Donka Minkova " Page 44 "At the beginning of the eighteenth century, Italian music and especially Italian opera became very fashionable in England, and with that came a new wave of Italian loanwords. Indeed there was a real explosion of new musical words in English. Bravo - 1761" (quotes source of the Chronological English Dictionary.) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521793629/ref=sib_vae_dp/002-8842816-2466407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&no=283155&st=books&n=283155 Oxford Essential Dictionary of World Histories (Paperback) by Oxford University Press Page 67 ?Bravo [mid 18th century] This exclamation used to express appreciation is from French, from the Italian word whose literal meaning is ?bold?. The same Italian adjective gave the noun bravura ?great technical skill? which came into English at the same time.? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0425190986/ref=sib_rdr_dp/002-8842816-2466407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&no=283155&st=books&n=283155 A Night at the Opera : An Irreverent Guide to The Plots, The Singers, The Composers, The Recordings (Modern Library Paperbacks) Operatica (from Back Matter) Applause ??in certain cases a high degree of Mean approval is registered by cries of braVO in the UK and the USA and BRAvo in continental Europe. (BRAvo in the case of female artists in a form adopted only by snobs and native Italians).? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375751769/ref=sib_vae_dp/002-8842816-2466407?%5Fencoding=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&no=283155&st=books&n=283155 Etymonline.com ?bravo as a cheer, "well done!," 1761, from It., lit. "brave" (see brave). Earlier it was used as a noun meaning "desperado, hired killer" (1597). Superlative form is bravissimo. "It is held by some philologists that as "Bravo!" is an exclamation its form should not change, but remain bravo under all circumstances. Nevertheless "bravo" is usually applied to a male, "brava" to a female artist, and "bravi" to two or more." ["Elson's Music Dictionary," 1905]? http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=bravo You may interested in the discussion among ballet dancers. http://ballettalk.invisionzone.com/lofiversion/index.php/t8646.html These two military sites provide the information on Bravo Zulu. The term originates from the Allied Signals Book (ATP 1), which in the aggregate is for official use only. Signals are sent as letters and/or numbers, which have meanings by themselves sometimes or in certain combinations. A single table in ATP 1 is called "governing groups," that is, the entire signal that follows the governing group is to be performed according to the "governor." The letter "B" indicates this table, and the second letter (A through Z) gives more specific information. For example, "BA" might mean "You have permission to . . . (do whatever the rest of the flashing light, flag hoist or radio transmission says) "BZ" happens to be the last item in the governing groups table. It means "well done". http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/questions/bzulu.html ?At that time BZ was not rendered as "Bravo Zulu," but in each navy's particular phonetic alphabet. In the U.S. Navy, BZ was spoken as "Baker Zebra." In the meanwhile, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) had adopted English as the international air traffic control language. They developed a phonetic alphabet for international aviation use, designed to be as "pronounceable" as possible by flyers and traffic controllers speaking many different languages. This was the "Alfa, Bravo, Charlie, Delta..." alphabet used today. The Navy adopted this ICAO alphabet in March 1956. 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Re: Origin of "bravo!" as shouted at opera performances
From: frde-ga on 23 Apr 2006 09:31 PDT |
Annoyingly AF had this locked - but that is fair The transition from 'Baker' to 'Bravo' is very interesting stuff - it rings a distant bell Anyway this is just a bit more flesh on the bones :- Interesting. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=bravo&searchmode=none <quote> bravo as a cheer, "well done!," 1761, from It., lit. "brave" (see brave). Earlier it was used as a noun meaning "desperado, hired killer" (1597). Superlative form is bravissimo. "It is held by some philologists that as "Bravo!" is an exclamation its form should not change, but remain bravo under all circumstances. Nevertheless "bravo" is usually applied to a male, "brava" to a female artist, and "bravi" to two or more." ["Elson's Music Dictionary," 1905] </quote> In 'British English' it definitely means 'well done' or better 'WELL DONE!!' The BZ flags probably derive from 'radio speak' eg: Alpha Bravo Charlie ... Lima ... Zulu But, BZ has a definite meaning - 'Bravo you Zulu warrior' - which is definitely of British derivation - I doubt that many Americans learnt to be careful of Shaka's Zulu Impis in the early 1800's - or their descendants in the 1870's. Digressing, the Royal Navy has Marines - of which Commandos are named after the Boer War Kommando - another example of celebrating a formidable former foe. A not so wild guess is that the US Navy picked up 'BZ' from the British Navy - it is likely that flag systems are international - possibly (definitely) someone else knows more on that than I --------- I was not aware that 'radio speak' was standardized in 1956 - although I know that a version of 'Anglisch' is mandatory |
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Re: Origin of "bravo!" as shouted at opera performances
From: pinkfreud-ga on 23 Apr 2006 10:24 PDT |
frde, You often complain that questions upon which you wish to comment have been locked by Google Answers Researchers. Please be aware that a Researcher who is working on a question is compelled to lock the question in order to post an answer. During the period when a question is locked by a certain GAR, no one other than the customer and the GAR who holds the "lock" may post anything to that question. This guarantee of exclusivity means a lot to us. Otherwise, we might find that we'd worked for hours gathering information, only to find that someone else has posted an official answer and collected the fee. We are not locking questions frivolously, to prevent others from commenting. We are protecting our investment of time and labor and seeking fair compensation for our work. |
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Re: Origin of "bravo!" as shouted at opera performances
From: myoarin-ga on 23 Apr 2006 12:28 PDT |
Frde, take heart. I too was frustrated by the lock, which came on after I opened the comment box - ready - like you - with the definition and the detail about the proper feminine form: "Brava, Pinkfreud!" Italians use the expression as a compliment all the time. I understand that Italian opera fans once may have - or maybe still - shout "da capo!", asking the solist to repeat part of the aria, the equivalent of "encore!" "Da capo" being the musical instruction at the end of a piece to go back to the start and continue. "Encore is when someone likes a certain piece of music and they bellow Encore!" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encore_(honor) Nautico, Yeah, I think you are right about "in crowd". My experience is that the more people have to pay for tickets, the more most of them assume they are getting their money's worth and feel justified or obliged to show that "they know the ropes." |
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Re: Origin of "bravo!" as shouted at opera performances
From: stressedmum-ga on 23 Apr 2006 15:04 PDT |
Re: "(BRAva in the case of female artists in a form adopted only by snobs and native Italians)" ... I want to take issue with that! If you're a female opera star and your audience is shouting 'BRAva! BRAva!' then don't devalue that compliment because of a misguided perception of snobbery. Increasingly, opera audiences are quite knowledgeable (as opera becomes more popular) and the fact that they're applauding your performance in such accurate fashion means that in their educated opinion, you did a pretty fine job. I go to the opera and frequently hear "BRAva" being called to deserving divas! |
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Re: Origin of "bravo!" as shouted at opera performances
From: frde-ga on 23 Apr 2006 23:35 PDT |
@pinkfreud-ga I can assure you, I am simply joking when I moan about questions being locked. - an attempt at wry humour By now, I reckon I've worked out the 'house rules', and even avoid giving a definitive answer in the few cases where I can. Actually it is quite interesting seeing questions get locked, then unlocked without an answer. Incidentally, it would be good if GA had a 'bookmark' facility so that one could tag questions one is interested in. I tried posting 'bookmark' as a comment, but found that it confused people - perhaps you could suggest something like that |
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Re: Origin of "bravo!" as shouted at opera performances
From: answerfinder-ga on 24 Apr 2006 08:18 PDT |
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