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Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: pdy-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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24 Apr 2006 21:50 PDT
Expires: 24 May 2006 21:50 PDT Question ID: 722504 |
How many US dollars would it cost to extract the 145,000,000,000,000,000 tons of hydrogen from the Earth's oceans? |
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From: qed100-ga on 25 Apr 2006 06:56 PDT |
Is this just hypothetical, or do you actually want to decompose all the ocean water? |
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Re: science
From: bcattwood-ga on 25 Apr 2006 09:05 PDT |
More than the hydrogen and the energy contained therein is worth. It takes more energy to extract hydrogen from water than you get back when you burn it. |
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From: elids-ga on 25 Apr 2006 15:54 PDT |
One liquid gallon equals 3.785411784 liters of gas From http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae367.cfm "The amount of hydrogen extracted from a gallon of water can be found very easily using the molecular weight of H20 (water), Hydrogen and Oxygen, along with mass conservation. the molecular weight of water is 2 H (molecular weight 1) + 1 Oxygen (Molecular weight 16) for a total of 18. And for every Molecule of water converted, we would get 2 Molecules of Hydrogen. So, now the question is, how many molecules of water are there in a gallon of water? The density of water is 1g/(cm3) so in 1 gallon of water ( about 3.785 Liters or 3785 cm3) the mass of the water is, 3785g. 1 mole of 6.02x1023 molecules of water is equal has the mass in grams equal to the molecular weight or 18 grams per mole. so 3785 grams corresponds to about 1.265 x 1026 molecules of water. Now, if every single one of those molecules were converted into Hydrogen we would get twice as much hydrogen as we had of water. or 2.53 x 1026 molecules of hydrogen. however since hydrogen is a diatomic molecule, meaning that the hydrogen that we talk about is H2, we would get 1.265 x 1026 molecules of hydrogen. at 1 atmospheric pressure and 273K, 1 mole of hydrogen fills approximately 22.4L of volume. so 1.265 x 1026 molecules or about 210 moles, would fill 4707 Liters of volume." From http://www.stardrivedevice.com/electrolysis.html "A couple years ago, our initial research found that the end-user price for liquid hydrogen was quite close to $4 per gallon when produced commercially by water electrolysis, $3 per gal. by steam reformation of methane (natural gas), and $2 per gal. by electrolysis of methanol. The most accurate current figures we've been able to develop are respectively $4.33, $3.25, and $2.17.]" From http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/sw/amznstuf.htm "The quantity of water on Earth is static - 326 million cubic miles. One cubic mile contains 1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) gallons of water" so using the cheapest option of $ 2.17 a gallon it would be 326000000*1000000000000*16.5 5379000000000000000000 or 326 million x one trillion x (3.8*2 x 2.17)= $ 5,379,000,000,000,000,000,000.oo buku bucks no doubt. |
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From: elids-ga on 25 Apr 2006 17:03 PDT |
whops I just realized I made a big mistake... it should've been 326000000*1000000000000*1238*2.17 875785960000000000000000 or 326 million x one trillion x (1,238 x 2.17)= $ 875,785,960,000,000,000,000,000.oo but hey! what's 870 sextillions among friends.... |
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Re: science
From: pinkfreud-ga on 25 Apr 2006 17:08 PDT |
>> but hey! what's 870 sextillions among friends.... Yeah, but when you got 870 sextillions here and 870 more sextillions there, eventually it adds up to real money. |
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Re: science
From: myoarin-ga on 26 Apr 2006 03:19 PDT |
Them's my kind of friends! The question also raises the problem of what to do with all the hydrogen (how to contain it), plus the oxygen released, plus the salt, etc. - including a nice supply of gold. And then there is the consideration of the plants necessary to realize the project. Somehow, I feel that one wouldn't even notice the ocean level's declining. |
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From: bcattwood-ga on 26 Apr 2006 06:42 PDT |
Nice job, elids. One point you missed though was that only the $4.33/gallon option is available for making hydrogen from water. Electrolysis of methanol to produce hydrogen obviously relies on a supply of methanol as the starting material, rather than water. So, the actual figure would be about double your 870 sextillion. Darn, just when things were looking feasible! ;) To add something interesting rather than just poo-pooing the idea, I figured out the energy required to produce 1.45 x 10^17 tons of hydrogen. I found one source that quoted hydrogen as having an energy content of 142 MJ/kg. Assuming 50% efficiency in converting water to hydrogen it would require 4.1 x 10^22 MJ to convert the earth's oceans. To put this in perspective, this is about 7500 years worth of the energy that the earth receives from the sun or ~360 million years worth of current worldwide electrical generation capacity. |
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