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Heuristic for walking across Manhattan
Category: Computers > Algorithms Asked by: pbandj1599-ga List Price: $25.00 |
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25 Apr 2006 11:55 PDT
Expires: 25 May 2006 11:55 PDT Question ID: 722696 |
What is the most efficient way to walk across Manhattan? Specifically, what is the heuristic you should use when coming to an intersection? (For example, do you always cross when given a green light or do you wait until you are forced to cross?) Also, what is the potential time savings by using the best method? (or are all methods the same?) | |
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Re: Heuristic for walking across Manhattan
From: redfoxjumps-ga on 25 Apr 2006 12:19 PDT |
Walk it and find out. Take a stop watch or two. I would take a cab. |
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Re: Heuristic for walking across Manhattan
From: cryptica-ga on 25 Apr 2006 14:02 PDT |
Pbandj1599-- Well, as any good Manhattan-ite and taxi driver knows, stop lights are sequenced the best on AMSTERDAM AVENUE, FIRST AVENUE, 11TH AVENUE -- among others -- so you can drive / walk for longer before hitting a light. "Best kept secret" STREETS are 56th Street going East and 31st Street Going West. A tip to Google Researchers, look up "Sam Schwartz" aka "Gridlock Sam," who writes a column in the New York Daily News. For years he has devised and tested all kinds of traffic shortcuts for New Yorkers. It's possible he may have even discsussed how to efficiently walk Manhattan. P.S. PBandJ -- I read your question to a few of my office colleagues, who said, "Don't forget to factor in getting mugged and being asked for directions by tourists!" |
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Re: Heuristic for walking across Manhattan
From: myoarin-ga on 25 Apr 2006 14:10 PDT |
Don't take a cab, it's faster walking. ;) Paf may correct me, but my recollection is that it takes 30 seconds to walk an up-/downtown block - street to street - and 180 seconds for a crosstown block - avenue to avenue, plus time for any lights. If you are moving diagonally, crossing several streets and avenues, jaywalk in the middle of a block when crossing a street, avoiding waiting for the light, and fairly safe, since they are all oneway. Wait for the light when crossing most avenues, unless it is a Sunday in July or August - or unless you have trained in Paris traffic. The time saving is avoiding the lights when crossing streets, but maybe some of them will be green anyway. Jaywalking diagonally across streets won't reduce the time much (walking the hypotenuse instead of crossing the street and walking the length of the block) because you will have to slow down to dodge traffic. If you can incorporate Paf's suggestions of heavily walked streets to avoid, you might be able to calculate approximate times for any route. |
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Re: Heuristic for walking across Manhattan
From: ansel001-ga on 25 Apr 2006 16:43 PDT |
You have clarified that this: (1) is an academic exercise and doesn't specifically refer to Manhattan, (2) all streets are equally busy and all avenues are equally busy (but I assume, avenues and streets are not equally busy) (3) traffic lights are longer on avenues than streets The answer still depends on: (1) how many streets versus avenues are you trying to travel (2) how do street blocks and avenue blocks compare in length (3) what are the speeds you can travel on streets versus avenues (I assume you can travel faster on streets because avenues are busier because the lights on avenues are longer, but how much faster) (4) what are the lengths of lights on streets and avenues (we know lights on avenues are longer, but by how much) |
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Re: Heuristic for walking across Manhattan
From: myoarin-ga on 26 Apr 2006 02:32 PDT |
The length of a walk light is a bit more complicated. You may start crossing as long as it is green, but you will have to wait while it is red, which on avenues will probably be longer than the green phase. So on average, you have to wait half of the red phase, No, correction! On average you will arrive in the middle of the complete red-green cycle. Let's say, 30 seconds green, 90 seconds red, total 120 seconds. You arrive at a random time in the cycle, so you will on average have a 25% chance of catching the green phase and 75%, the red, so I expect that you would wait on average 1/2 of 3/4 of the 90 second red phase = 34 seconds. (This is very much open to correct! :) In your rectilinear city plan, moving diagonally is still a series of right angle steps, in principle the same distance as walking up the avenue till you get to the desired crosstown street. But by jaywalking and taking slightly diagonal paths from the curb to the inside of a corner where you won't be cross traffic, you may be able to shorten the distance somewhat. In real life, this is probably only theoretical (maybe not in Indianapolis :) because with any volume of ambling pedestrians, you will find it faster to pass people, disregarding the geometric advantage of walking the optimum diagonal. So, assuming as before that you accept jaywalking streets, I reckon that you can avoid all street lights but on average must wait for avenue ligts by whatever the correct formula is for the actual red-green phases. I have discounted any advantage of diagonals along the streets, which with the longer blocks between avenues would be fairly minimal, anyway. Thus the time would be your mph tempo applied to the distance straight uptown and crosstown, plus the average time for avenue lights. Of course, with some experience with the lights, you could probably avoid waiting for a couple by continuing up the avenue to the next street, anticipating correctly that when you got there the light would be green for you. How's that? Now some one correct my waiting time calculation. |
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