Hi Researchers,

I'm looking for vendors of Tackyness Compound Tester. 
The mnemonic is 5A6-020, but I don't think it's a part number.
I presumed this product will be use in manufacturer of rubber or tire for vehicle.
I never saw this product, or have any more information of this product.

The vendor in Asia or Europe region is preferred.

Thanks in advance.

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Request for Question Clarification by czh-ga on 05 May 2006 18:29 PDT

Hello ryanku-ga,

Can you tell me where you heard about this product? How did you find
out about it? What was your source of information for ?Tackyness
Compound Tester? as the name of the product and the numerical code?

You indicate the product is used in the manufacturing of rubber. Could
it be something used to test the tack or tackiness of rubber
compounds?

I?ve searched for every part of your question but the way it?s worded
simply doesn?t come up in any search results and doesn?t really make
sense. Please tell me more about what you?re trying to accomplish or
any background on your interest in this product so I can conduct a
meaningful search.

I look forward to your clarification.

~ czh ~

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Clarification of Question by ryanku-ga on 08 May 2006 01:37 PDT

Hello czh,

> Can you tell me where you heard about this product? How did you find
out about it?
I heard this product from the user.

> What was your source of information for ?Tackyness Compound Tester?
as the name of the product and the numerical code?
I think the 'Tackiness Compound Tester' is a common product name,
please ignore the numerical code because it's a user code.

> You indicate the product is used in the manufacturing of rubber.
Could it be something used to test the tack or tackiness of rubber
compounds?
Yes, it'll be use to test the tackiness of rubber compound.


After I spoke with user, here the information I gathered:

This tools uses to measure the tackiness or stickiness of rubber
compound. The rubber compound is a material before it became a tire.
They already have the handheld tester that measure tackiness by
reading the result at graphic chart manually. Now the want to use the
automatic one, that will show the tackiness on digital value.

They also already know the digital tackiness tester from Japan, the
brand is Toyo Seiki.

After I googled, I've found the product that I presumed this is the
tackiness tester they have known:
http://www.toyoseiki.co.jp/toyo_e/c/ec_235.html
But they won't use this, the want use the brand from Europe. Maybe
because the Toyo Seiki looks like old technology.

Then I also found http://www.testingmachines.com/products/adhesion.htm

The user also need the estimate price for this tool.

Regards,
ryanku-ga

ryanku-ga,

I believe the machine you are looking for is this one:


http://www.techpro-usa.com/bfg.htm
The BFGoodrich Portable Universal Tester (PUT)

...designed as a compact portable instrument to measure wide range of
material properties. Programs include, tack, adhesion, stress-strain,
tear, pellet crush strength, bio-adhesion, and surface tension. All
data acquisition and control are provided through an optional computer
and color printer.



The PUT sells for approximately $18,000.


Other testing machines at this same page may be of interest to you and
to the user, as they all pertain to testing various properties of
tire-grade rubber.


I trust this information fully answers your question.  But if there's
anything else I can do for you, please let me know by posting a
clarification request, and I'll be happy to assist you further.

Cheers,

pafalafa-ga


search strategy -- Google search on:

"tack OR tackiness test OR tester OR testing"

Contacted the PUT distributor for price information.

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Request for Answer Clarification by ryanku-ga on 09 May 2006 22:36 PDT

Hello  pafalafa-ga,

Thank you for your effort.

I not sure this is the right product that I looking for, because I
don't find detail specifications for this product yet.
I've sent email to TechPro today, mentioning what I look for, no answer yet.

I'll rate your answer soon after I have the explanation from TechPro
reply. I'll post their explanation.

In the meantime, I'll search other products & its detail specifications.

Regards,
ryanku-ga

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Request for Answer Clarification by ryanku-ga on 09 May 2006 22:49 PDT

In previous clarification, I wrote:
  ... I don't find detail specifications...
should be written:
  ... I don't find detail features...

Regards,
ryanku-ga

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Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 10 May 2006 05:05 PDT

ryanku-ga,

Thanks for letting me know your thoughts on this.  

I had been in touch with Tech-Pro, and this unit seemed to fully meet your needs.

However, please do get back to me after you've heard back from them
yourself, and let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Cheers,

paf

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Request for Answer Clarification by ryanku-ga on 11 May 2006 00:34 PDT

Hello pafalafa-ga,

I haven't received Tech-Pro reply yet.

Meanwhile I have a new information regarding the other Tackiness
Tester (http://www.toyoseiki.co.jp/toyo_e/c/ec_235.html).
I've compared to Tech-Pro's BFGoodrich PUT, I can't be sure yet the
PUT is comparable with this product.

Hereunder the features & specifications from other Picma Tack Tester.
Some words (the [...]) are originally missing.

Application
The Picma Tack Tester developed of a modified version of Pickup type
tack meter [...]
This tester measures tacking strength between unvulcanized, [...]
and other materials and tacking strength of other adhesive materials.
Until now the Pickup type tack
meter was widely used in the rubber industry; it had considerable
measuring error and needed
improvement because it was very simple in construction.
Now it has been modified under the guidance of the research laboratory
of Yokohama Rubber Co., Ltd.
Its defects have been removed and it is renamed as PICMA Tack Tester,
derived from (PICKUP-YOKOHAMA)

Features
By incorporating below improvements the measuring error has been
considerably reduced.
1. Specimen mounting wheel moves down at constant speed by means of a motor.
2. [...]
3. Sticking time can be arbitrarily set within 2-60 seconds by a timer.
4. After the preset sticking the specimen mounting wheel automatically moves up.
5. The pull apart speed can be selected in 8 steps by a selector switch.
6. A raveling device has been added to ensure effective use of the
specimens being tested.

Specifications
Measuring load range : 0.098-14.7N (10-1500gf)
Sticking load        : 4.9N (500gf)
Separating speed     : 5, 6, 7.5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30mm/min.
Standard sample size : 12.7 x 152mm
Sticking time        : 2~60sec.
Electrical           : AC100V, 1-P, 1A (Other voltages also possible)
Dimensions           : 20(W) x 22(D) x 43(H) cm
Net weight           : Approx. 8.5kg


Regards,

ryanku-ga

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Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 11 May 2006 10:55 PDT

Thanks for the additional information.

There are certainly a number of of other tack testers available, such
as this one, specifically intended for testing bags and tubes:


http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/IDMInstruments/Hot_Tack_Tester_H0005/12592/0


I focused on the BF Goodrich tester because of its applicability to
tire manufacturing, as indicated in your initial question.  However,
it is a multi-purpose tester, so it may actually accomplish more (and
cost more!) than is actually required.


After you hear back from Tech Pro, if you determine it is not the
right sort of machine for your needs, let me know a bit more about
what, specifically, you're after, and I'll do my best to track it
down.


Thanks,

pafalafa-ga

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Request for Answer Clarification by ryanku-ga on 12 May 2006 07:55 PDT

Hello pafalafa-ga,

I've received the reply from TechPro.
Yes he quote the same product as you mentioned before (BFG Portable
Universal Tester) for approximately US$18,000.

It cost more -like you said before- than the user expected maybe
because it has multi measurements (such as Tack Constant Pressure,
Tack Initial Pressure, Poly release/Peel & Stress Strain), software,
service & warranty.

I also sent enquiry to IDM Instruments, after the guidance from you. No reply yet.
But from I saw the picture of this product, I'm not sure this suitable
for the user. It's huge.

If you have 3 or 4 or maybe more links for me, I'll type 3,4 maybe 5 stars for you.
Sorry if I'm being hard on you.

Kind regards,

ryanku-ga

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Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 12 May 2006 17:24 PDT

ryanku-ga,

No problem...I'm glad to continue working with this so you and the
user can have a variety of options to explore.

Here are several to consider covering a variety of applications and
ranging from simple table-top testers, to highly-complex electronic
machines:




http://www.testingmachines.com/products/adhesion.htm
There are several tack testers at this site to consider, including:

Lab Master Loop Tack

Lab Master Probe Tack

Lab Master Release & Adhesion

Monitor/Peel

Glue Bond Integrity Tester





http://www.chemsultants.com/cheminstruments/lt-1000.html
LT-1000 Loop Tack Tester



http://www.ichemco.it/machines/pt_500.htm
Polyken Probe Tack Tester
HT1-XS 



http://www.hitechtrader.com/detail.cfm?autonumber=47489
Tack Tester 52-F/201
$9,000.00



http://www.igt.nl/igt-site-220105/index-uk/specs/spectack.html
IGT Tack tester 450



http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/IDMInstruments/Hot_Tack_Tester_H0005/12592/0
Hot Tack Tester, H0005


http://www.lakotool.com/sl10.htm
SL10 Hot Tack Tester & Seal Tester



http://www.ichemco.it/machines/pt_500.htm
Polyken Probe Tack Tester PT-1000





Again, let me know if there's anything else I can do for you on this.


paf

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Request for Answer Clarification by ryanku-ga on 13 May 2006 06:35 PDT

Hello pafalafa-ga,

For http://www.testingmachines.com/products/adhesion.htm (TMI Group)
I have seen & sent enquiry before, no reply yet.

For http://www.chemsultants.com/cheminstruments/lt-1000.html (ChemInstruments, Inc)
I've send the enquiry today.

For http://www.ichemco.it/machines/pt_500.htm (Ichemco)
I won't send the enquiry because they have the same product with
ChemInstruments above. And I think they don't have HT1-XS.

For http://www.hitechtrader.com/detail.cfm?autonumber=47489 (HiTechTrader.com)
I think it's only for sealing tack tester, but I'll send the enquiry anyway.

For http://www.igt.nl/igt-site-220105/index-uk/specs/spectack.html
It's only measures tack of offset inks, but I'll also send the enquiry anyway.

For http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/IDMInstruments/Hot_Tack_Tester_H0005/12592/0
(IDM Instruments)
You mentioned in your clarification on 11 May 2006 10:55 PDT

For http://www.lakotool.com/sl10.htm (Lako Tool)
I've send the enquiry today.

For http://www.ichemco.it/machines/pt_500.htm (Ichemco), again
I won't send the enquiry because they have the same product with
ChemInstruments above.


I'll keep my finger crossed, wish me luck.


Regards,

ryanku-ga

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Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 13 May 2006 06:54 PDT

Thanks for the update, and let me know how things work out.

By the way, I repeated links for the ChemInstruments systems, because
not all of them look to be the same system or model...you might want
to send out queries to all the suppliers, even at the risk of a bit of
duplication.  Couldn't hurt, eh...?

paf

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Request for Answer Clarification by ryanku-ga on 15 May 2006 01:04 PDT

I've sent the enquiry to Ichemco
(http://www.ichemco.it/machines/pt_500.htm) like you suggested.

I already have some responses:

For http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/IDMInstruments/Hot_Tack_Tester_H0005/12592/0
(IDM Instruments)
Response: "We do not manufacture the requested instrument."

For http://www.igt.nl/igt-site-220105/index-uk/specs/spectack.html
(IGT Testing Systems)
They give quotation for 'IGT Tack Tester 450' that measure the tack of
offset inks. Not like we searched for.

No reply from the others yet.


Cheers,

ryanku-ga

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Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 15 May 2006 19:11 PDT

OK.  Keep me posted, and let me know if you need more information.

paf

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Request for Answer Clarification by ryanku-ga on 17 May 2006 06:48 PDT

I received reply from Lako Tool (www.lakotool.com/sl10.htm), but they
said the don't have it.

"I am sorry but we do not offer a machine to match your request. Our
machine is a Hot Tack tester, it measures seal quality of packaging
films."


~~ryanku-ga

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Request for Answer Clarification by ryanku-ga on 18 May 2006 06:09 PDT

A reply from ChemInstruments, Inc (from one of their Sales
representatives, A.M. Erichsen Labtech (SEA) Pte Ltd):

"Are you able to give me more information on the test that you would
like to carry out & which standard does it comply to?"

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Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 18 May 2006 06:37 PDT

ryanku-ga,

Thanks for keeping me up to date on the responses you're getting.

I think the most recent reply from ChemInstruments is telling.  They
wrote: "Are you able to give me more information on the test that you
would
like to carry out & which standard does it comply to..?"


This is important...unless you can specify just what you need, the
best that I (or a company) can do is show you the range of options
available.

In your original question, you wrote that:  "I'm looking for vendors
of Tackyness Compound Tester...I never saw this product, or have any
more information of this product..."


Under those circumstances, we can't do anything more than point you to
a range of testing machines.

If you can find out any more specifics, then the companies you are
contacting can respond with more specific feedback about what they can
offer.

Hope that helps...best of luck with all this.


paf

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Request for Answer Clarification by ryanku-ga on 23 May 2006 07:42 PDT

Hello pafalafa-ga,

After I received email from ChemInstruments, I reply with lot more
information about the tester that I looking for. I also give them
reference of Toyo Seiki's Tackiness Tester. Not reply from them yet.

I also went to the user to get more information this tackiness tester.
They uses the manual tack tester like this
http://www.vppryan.info/images/tackmeter.jpg
I asked the user for the measure standard that they used. They said
they don't use any measure standard.
It scale from 0 to 1000 gms. They need result more than 600, and 550 is acceptable.

So, I searched this tack tester and found it. It produced by Wallace
Instruments, and they called Tack Meter. We can see the specifications
& features on http://www.hwwallace.co.uk/x1.htm

I also sent the enquiry to Wallace Instruments for 'Automatic
Tackmeter' in case they have it, but not listed on their website yet.

I like to investigate more from this search factors, but some troubles
with my internet connection since Saturday make the searching slow.

Regards,
ryanku-ga

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Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 23 May 2006 16:39 PDT

Sounds like you're making a lot of progress, and that's good to hear. 
Let me know how things work out.


paf

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Request for Answer Clarification by ryanku-ga on 26 May 2006 07:56 PDT

pafalaga-ga,

I received reply from Wallace Instruments. They said they don't have
the automatic tack meter. They also no longer produce manual Tack
Meter X1.

~~ryanku-ga

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Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 28 May 2006 15:35 PDT

Thanks for keeping me up to date.  Hope the rest of your
communications with vendors are more fruitful.

paf