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Subject:
Mortgage Fraud
Category: Business and Money > Finance Asked by: chancho-ga List Price: $40.00 |
Posted:
08 May 2006 15:43 PDT
Expires: 01 Jun 2006 00:17 PDT Question ID: 726711 |
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Subject:
Re: Mortgage Fraud
From: nelson-ga on 08 May 2006 16:47 PDT |
What you are talking about is not fraud. Unless they are outright lied to, no fraud is involved. |
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Re: Mortgage Fraud
From: frde-ga on 09 May 2006 02:38 PDT |
In the UK we had the miss-selling of endowment policies - also one off 'mortgage insurance' which insured against nothing Both were pretty close to frauds, as they were deliberately mis-representing the products. |
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Re: Mortgage Fraud
From: ubiquity-ga on 09 May 2006 11:11 PDT |
Its like going to a gas station and paying $2.54 for a gallon of gas when the one down the street is selling it for $2.50. Its not fraud. Shop around for the best price. |
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Re: Mortgage Fraud
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 09 May 2006 12:24 PDT |
I think Chauncho is referring to 1 lender charging various rates to equally qualified borrowers. That could fall under price descrimination. I don't know much about laws, but I'd like to think that price descrimination is illegal in some forms. It's not like Shell selling gas for $2.50 while Exxon is $2.54... it's more like Exxon selling their gas to me for $2.54 at one pump while selling it to you for $2.50 at the next pump over. |
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Re: Mortgage Fraud
From: chancho-ga on 11 May 2006 09:37 PDT |
To clarify, I am looking for info regarding any type of consumer fraud on the part of lenders. The data can include price discrimination situations, but can be more expansive. On a side note to MR SHOPPER: As for price shopping, mortgages are a more complicated product and not standardized across the industry, which makes it difficult to compare, specially when various lenders obfuscate the true cost of the loan. |
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Re: Mortgage Fraud
From: nelson-ga on 11 May 2006 11:54 PDT |
No two people are going to have the same income, expenses, credit history, employment history, etc. Price discrimination is probably not as widespread as you think (nor as uncommon as I would like to image, perhaps). |
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Re: Mortgage Fraud
From: hanseric-ga on 11 May 2006 13:29 PDT |
I think what you are referring to is typically called "predatory lending". That would be the area in which I would investigate this sort of thing. Here's some definition to that area in Wikipedia in case it helps. "In the strictest and legal sense, predatory lending refers to secured loans such as home or car loans which are made by the lender with the intention that the borrower will not repay the loan, allowing the lender to seize the car or home and sell it for a profit. Colloquially, the term has been expanded to refer to the practice of convincing borrowers to agree to unfair and abusive loan terms. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_lending" |
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Re: Mortgage Fraud
From: myoarin-ga on 11 May 2006 13:52 PDT |
Basically, I agree with Nelson's comments. We have seen here questions about dubious practices, such as additional costs after the buyer/borrower has virtually committed himself and probably not find different financing before the signing date on the house contract. And I have no doubts that there are borrowers who could find cheaper financing if they were more agressive at bargaining or searching the market (i.e., people rather like me). Some of people may never know or care - or know AND care, but are still not upset because they figure they got a good deal on the price or understood that they were accepting the deal they could get in the timeframe they needed. Chancho, you are getting various scenarios, but no answer. Maybe there are estimates on the number of mortages that were not the best option available to the individuals when compared with credit ratings, etc., but as Nelson points out, and I have tried to indicate, there are many factors involved that can justify this for the individual deal, also in the eyes of the borrower, so that malpractice or fraud cannot considered to be involved. |
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Re: Mortgage Fraud
From: chancho-ga on 17 May 2006 23:57 PDT |
I was formerly a loan officer, and trust me, many people knew they got screwed, but it was not due to lack of research or effort on their part. Usually the story goes that they are presented one thing up front to hook them, but when it comes to signing the final paperwork, they find themselves with different terms. Unfortunately, some people are under various pressures to get the loan done. |
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Re: Mortgage Fraud
From: frde-ga on 19 May 2006 08:27 PDT |
I got screwed like that Foolishly I decided to remortgage, I used a friend who is a solicitor, at the very last minute (literally as signing) he demanded a one off insurance premium which was of no value to me. Normally I'm pretty careful, but it was totally unexpected. |
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