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Identification of classical religious piece
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Music Asked by: anon250-ga List Price: $8.00 |
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08 Jun 2006 11:07 PDT
Expires: 08 Jul 2006 11:07 PDT Question ID: 736438 |
I'm looking for the name and composer of the baroque-sounding piece at the following URL: http://www.essentially.net/what-is-this.mp3 (It's the music in the background; the clip is from a BBC "Horizon" documentary on archaeology called "Atlantis Reborn Again.") The words, so far as I can tell, begin with "Jesu domine." Some parts make me think it was written by Vivaldi, but overall I don't think so; could it be Mozart? | |
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Re: Identification of classical religious piece
From: thursdaylast23-ga on 13 Jun 2006 21:07 PDT |
After listening to a lot of clips of baroque choral music, I decided to try another strategy. Using World Catalogue, I tracked down the only video copy of Atlantis Reborn listed to Southern Methodist University. (This, by the way, is virtually the same as Atlantis Reborn Again, the latter being a very slightly revised edition of the original that the BBC was required to do and rebroadcast in order to rectify a judged "unfairness" to Hancock at one point in the original program, as determined by whatever commission looks into such things in the UK. Interesting backstory.) My hope was that the video case and/or included notes would include an attribution or acknowledgement re: the musical score for the program. Going on this assumption, I emailed the library at SMU this morning, asking if they might be willing to examine the case to see if there was any information along that line. Since I'm not a student of that institution and this wasn't an academic inquiry, I acknowledged in my message that they certainly had no obligation to respond to my question. However, much to my amazement, by early afternoon, I had an email from a librarian in the Media Services division of SMU's library. Not only did she check the case for documentation, but she went through the credits on the tape itself, only to find no reference whatsoever to a source for the music. I will reproduce her response below, and give her credit for the effort she put into researching my question. Also, after all my own listening and this additional information, I'm rather inclined to share tutuzdad-ga's opinion that this could well be "faux-baroque," and not an actual piece in the classical vocal literature. Message from Southern Methodist University library: Dear ________, I watched the entire beginning and ending credits and there is absolutely NO mention of anything regarding the music. I was very surprised. It doesn?t mention composer or the piece name. I have done an internet search and have found several people seeking the same information but without much success. I am sorry that I couldn?t be more help. Sincerely, Lisa Wall CMIT Media Library Manager |
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Re: Identification of classical religious piece
From: anon250-ga on 13 Jun 2006 21:35 PDT |
Wow, thanks for the thorough attempt! I actually knew the credits didn't list the song or composer. This is common, I believe, if the recording is from a commercial library of music (like, as a recent famous example, the background tracks in Curb Your Enthusiasm, many of which are written by well-known film composers); the original composition could be in the public domain and might have been recorded by an orchestra specifically for licensing in commercial productions (typically without ongoing royalties and without credit, though the terms of the licensing can vary). It doesn't, however, necessarily suggest the composition itself is modern, though the fact that both you and I have tried to match it to several baroque choral clips does. :) I wonder if the librarian's internet search found my query here! |
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Re: Identification of classical religious piece
From: thursdaylast23-ga on 18 Jun 2006 12:48 PDT |
anon250, Point taken. I have not given up completely (I have a couple weeks left, right?). I sent the link to an acquaintance who is a freelance oboist, but no luck there. I'm sending it to a friend who has sung with a semi-professional choir for 4 or 5 years now, to see if she has any thoughts. One problem with listening to clips: I easily tell major/minor, and can make a good guess at the similarity of tempo/style. But the latter is no help with those darned movements in baroque rep that start largo/adagio/etc., and then suddenly morph into allegro/presto--past the end of the online clip. Another outside possiblity: I wondered if the piece itself might be "authentic" baroque, but the vocals be a contemporary overlay to give the score a quasi-religious feel. Just an idea. |
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Re: Identification of classical religious piece
From: anon250-ga on 19 Jun 2006 19:01 PDT |
Thanks again for all of this; the question's indeed open for a few weeks yet. I've also written to Horizon by email, for what it's worth, and may send them a followup letter if I don't hear back within a few weeks. I don't really expect them to track it down, though; that would certainly be above and beyond the call. Thanks again! |
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Re: Identification of classical religious piece
From: thursdaylast23-ga on 06 Jul 2006 21:02 PDT |
One last comment which, unfortunately, I don't find very satisfactory. My friend in the chorus did not recognize the clip, and was inclined to feel that there was something not quite "period authentic" about it. She also got a response from the choir's librarian, who has had the job for years; she also did not recognize the music. I have spent more time myself on the investigation (until my oboist friend told me to give up!). I found pieces/composers that were "almost it." Cherubini sounded promising--but my local library had only one of his choral pieces in their collection and it wasn't the mystery piece. There are even a couple movements of Schubert's four masses that also seemed to be somewhat similar in style--but again, I could find no full-length recording. So the mystery remains unsolved, unless you have made a discovery or heard from the BBC in the interim. Sorry I couldn't unearth anything more promising for you! |
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Re: Identification of classical religious piece
From: anon250-ga on 07 Jul 2006 15:29 PDT |
Thanks again for trying! Shockingly, about 750 people have listened to the clip I posted online; some may have come from here or from Usenet, but it seems that a few people became just as curious as we are and posted it to their own message boards, etc. With that many people having tried to answer the question, I'm becoming more convinced that it's either a modern imitation or that it's not particularly well known, though several people told me it sounded familiar and one said he heard it from a source other than the BBC documentary from which my clip came. For their part, the BBC say they have records but can't justify the cost of going through them merely to respond to a question from a member of the public, and the director of the individual documentary says his records don't go far back enough to be able to help. Quite an effort, overall! I hate to give up, so I'll still be searching. Thanks again for everything you tried! |
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