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Subject: Commies
Category: Relationships and Society > Politics
Asked by: mongolia-ga
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Posted: 08 Jun 2006 17:55 PDT
Expires: 08 Jul 2006 17:55 PDT
Question ID: 736553
After Russia and Mongolia adopted Communist forms of Government, What
would have been the next country  (i.e. the third country) to have
adopted a
communist form of Government?



Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 08 Jun 2006 18:59 PDT

The uber-collective -- one might say, almost communal -- resource
known as Wikipedia has a good write up on the history of communist
states, but it's a bit hard to know who came second, third, etc, given
the convoluted nature of individual state's adoption of communism.

Here is what Wikipedia has to say:


...Following the October Revolution in 1917, which established what
later became the Soviet Union, there was a revolutionary wave
throughout Europe. Communist revolutions, uprisings or attempted
uprisings took place in many European countries. However, Russian
Communists, engaged in the Russian Civil War, were unable to provide
any significant support to communist movements outside Russia.
Eventually, in the first decades after the Russian revolution, only
five revolutions outside Russia were able to take power, and these for
short periods of time. They resulted in the Finnish Socialist Workers'
Republic in 1918, the Bavarian Soviet Republic from November 1918
until May 3, 1919, the Slovak Soviet Republic in 1919, the Hungarian
Soviet Republic in 1919, and the Persian Soviet Socialist Republic
from 1920 to 1921. All of them were soon abolished, and with the
defeat of the Red Army in the Polish-Soviet War in 1920, the Russian
Communists were forced to abandon any plans of military aid to
Communist movements in Europe. On the other side of the world,
Mongolia had been a protectorate of the Russian Empire from its
independence from China in 1912 until 1919, when the Chinese
reasserted control during the chaos of the Russian Civil War. The
Russian monarchist White Army regained control in 1921, but was driven
out by the Red Army that same year. Mongolia was not absorbed into the
Soviet Union, but was renamed the People's Republic of Mongolia and
became the Soviet Union's first satellite state in 1924. Another
example of Communist state was the Tuvinian People's Republic
establlished in 1921 and absorbed into the Soviet Union in 1944.

...From 1924 until World War II, there were no successful Communist
revolutions, and no more Communist states were established.


Does that answer your question?


Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 09 Jun 2006 11:10 PDT
>>> Can you expand on your last comment? <<<

I?ll try. . .

The USSR preceded Mongolia in adopting what is commonly called
?communism? (Russia in the 1917 Russian Revolution, and Mongolia
followed in 1924). No other countries of note moved in this direction
until Korea became a concern in the late 1940?s. In 1949 Kim Il Sung
had visited Stalin (a communist) and persuaded the dictator that he
could conquer South Korea. Kim then paid a visit to Mao Zedong (a
communist) and received his blessing as well. That same year Syngman
Rhee reportedly boasted said he would attack the north to preserve the
current political position of the state, but he never did.

In April 1950, the American National Security Council issued a report
(NSC 68) recommending that America give up it?s efforts of
?containment? and instead start actively start ?rolling back?
Communism. Essentially this report recommended that US start trying
?save? counties from communism and the first country on the list was
clearly Korea. The rest of course is history and because perhaps
neither the US, in defense of Korea, nor Korea, in defense of itself,
acted in response to the overwhelming evidence that communism was fast
approaching, the north invaded the south on 25 June 1950 and thus
began the war.  Obviously, had the US and (South) Korea stood idly by
the entire country would have been consumed. As it turned out the
nation was divided and total communism was thwarted.


COLD WAR 1945-63

Unfortunately this same scenario played out in Vietnam with different
results, and Vietnam probably would have preceded Korea in its fall to
communism if only the circumstances had been right.

How?s that for an explanation?


Clarification of Question by mongolia-ga on 09 Jun 2006 17:21 PDT

Two very different answers from two researchers. The question is which
one is closer to the truth. (perhaps you can work out which of your
answers is best :-))

If I can summarize the two different points of view

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  Shortly after the Bolshevik revolution (i.e. in a period of 2 to 3 years)
  a number of (largely European countries)adopted Soviet style governments.
  However many of regimes lasted for only a short time. If we except that 
  these were "Communist States" then the second one to have adopted a 
  communist style of government would have been 3rd country in the world
  to have adopted a Communist form of government.

  Up to and after the second World War there were only two countries 
  which had long term established communist regimes (i.e. Russia and 
  Mongolia). Some time after the second world war a number of states 
  established Communist forms of governments. The first of these was North  
  Korea (DPRK) (which would have therefore made it the third country to 
  adopt a communist form of government)
  Let me know if i am understanding your proposed answers correctly :-)

There is no answer at this time.

Subject: Re: Commies
From: tutuzdad-ga on 08 Jun 2006 17:56 PDT
Korea. (In it's entirety, of course)
Subject: Re: Commies
From: mongolia-ga on 08 Jun 2006 17:58 PDT

Can you expand on your last comment?  



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