I am looking for the following to carry out lifecyle cost calculations on cars :- 

- Energy use per km for gasoline-fuelled internal combustion car

- Energy use per km for gasoline-fulled fuel cell car

- Energy use per km for hydrogen-fulled fuel cell car

- Energy use per km for methanol-fulled fuel cell car

(I need values+method of calculating the above)

Energy use per km are usually measured in (MJ/km).

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Clarification of Question by small_beutiful-ga on 22 Jun 2006 15:58 PDT

Just to illustrate the figures I am looking for 

Page 73 of http://frt.fy.chalmers.se/PDF-docs/P_Jung_M_thesis.pdf 
gives some out-of-date figures and I am looking for more up-to-date
figures and a more detailed explanation of how to carry out such
calculations

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Request for Question Clarification by bobbie7-ga on 23 Jun 2006 01:37 PDT

Hi Small_beutiful,

Is the information provided in table 2 on target?

http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/pubs/2ch3.pdf

Thanks, Bobbie7

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Request for Question Clarification by bobbie7-ga on 23 Jun 2006 01:46 PDT

Or the information on pages 16 and 17 in the following publication?

http://lfee.mit.edu/public/LFEE_2003-004_RP.pdf

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Clarification of Question by small_beutiful-ga on 23 Jun 2006 04:21 PDT

Excellent work Bobbie. The 2nd source is on target but I couldn't find
any figures for methnaol-fuelled fuel cell car

I am also wondering how such figures are usually calculated.

Thanks for the great job so far.

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Request for Question Clarification by bobbie7-ga on 23 Jun 2006 12:48 PDT

Hello again small_beutiful,

Please take a look at the articles below  and let me know if they
contain the information you need.

THanks, 
Bobbie7


Scientific Journals
2 pages
http://www.scientificjournals.com/sj/lca/Pdf/aId/5858


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Specific Fuel Consumption of Vehicles Used:
                 Conv.    Hybrid
Diesel ICE      1.96 - 1.65 MJ/km
FT Diesel ICE   1.92 - 1.61 MJ/km
Naphtha FCV     1.77 - 1.54 MJ/km
CGH2 FCV        1.14 - 1.05 MJ/km
Ethanol FCV     1.68 - 1.47 MJ/km
Methanol FCV    1.62 - 1.43 MJ/km

See page 26
http://www.hyweb.de/Wissen/pdf/H2-Infrastructure_Build-Up_18JUL2002-improved.pdf

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Clarification of Question by small_beutiful-ga on 23 Jun 2006 15:37 PDT

Very good job
Please close the question so I can rate your excellent answer

Please look out for the few more questions I will be posting this
week; I will be very glad to have you answering my questions

Dear Small_beutiful,

Thank you for accepting my findings as the official answer to your question.
It has been a pleasure to work with you again.

Sincerely, 
Bobbie7

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See page 16 and 17 in the following publication.

http://lfee.mit.edu/public/LFEE_2003-004_RP.pdf
 

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Scientific Journals
2 pages
http://www.scientificjournals.com/sj/lca/Pdf/aId/5858


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Specific Fuel Consumption of Vehicles Used:
                 Conv.    Hybrid
Diesel ICE      1.96 - 1.65 MJ/km
FT Diesel ICE   1.92 - 1.61 MJ/km
Naphtha FCV     1.77 - 1.54 MJ/km
CGH2 FCV        1.14 - 1.05 MJ/km
Ethanol FCV     1.68 - 1.47 MJ/km
Methanol FCV    1.62 - 1.43 MJ/km

See page 26
http://www.hyweb.de/Wissen/pdf/H2-Infrastructure_Build-Up_18JUL2002-improved.pdf

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Clarification of Answer by bobbie7-ga on 30 Dec 2006 16:20 PST

Hello again Small_beutiful,

I found an interesting article in the New York Times taht might
interest you as it is related to your query.

Biowaste to ethanol could soon power cars.

"Converting a vehicle to run primarily on ethanol costs just a couple
of hundred dollars. But ethanol won't make much of a dent in gas use
as long as the source of ethanol in the United States remains corn
grain, which requires a lot of energy and land in order to grow. A
much better alternative is cellulosic materials such as wood chips and
switchgrass, which are both cheap to grow and require fewer natural
resources. In an effort to reduce the processing costs of these
materials, researchers are genetically engineering organisms that can
devour grasses and waste biomass, digest the complex sugars, and then
transform the resulting simple sugars into alcohol."

http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/17944/

Excellllllllllllent Bobbie7