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Subject: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
Category: Reference, Education and News > Education
Asked by: zafio00-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 23 Jun 2006 09:39 PDT
Expires: 23 Jul 2006 09:39 PDT
Question ID: 740530
Hi, I want to attend a small art school in Oregon, I will need a
student visa for the duration of the program (2 year), but the school
is unable to provide me of that visa. What can I do?
I guess my question is: 
How can I get a student visa from a school not acreited by the USCIS?
I know it is a hard one, but I will apreciate your help
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Subject: Re: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
Answered By: wonko-ga on 26 Jun 2006 15:39 PDT
Rated:1 out of 5 stars
 
Based on my research, it is not possible to obtain a student visa (F-1
or M-1) from a school that is not approved by USCIS.  However, that
does not necessarily mean that you cannot attend the school using a
different type of visa associated with a different immigration
classification.

Some experts maintain that you should not bother with unapproved
schools.  You would certainly find it easier to obtain permission to
study in the United States if you worked with a school that is
approved.

Before you pursue a different immigration classification other than a
student visa, I encourage you to contact a qualified immigration
attorney to assist you in identifying an appropriate course of action
for your situation.

Alternatively, you could try to get the school to pursue approval. 
However, given the increasing complexity of dealing with international
students, a small school may not be interested in becoming approved.

Good luck to you.

Sincerely,

Wonko

Sources:

"Foreign students seeking to study in the U.S. may enter in the F-1 or
M-1 category provided they meet the following criteria:

The student must be enrolled in an "academic" educational program, a
language-training program, or a vocational program;
The school must be approved by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration
Services (USCIS);...."

"Students" U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (March 22, 2006)
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/services/tempbenefits/StudVisas.htm

"How Do I Apply if I am Outside of the United States? You first must
apply to study at a USCIS-approved school in the United States. When
you contact a school that you are interested in attending, you should
be told immediately if the school accepts foreign national students."

"How Do I Become an Academic Student in the United States?" U.S.
Citizenship and Immigration Services (June 1, 2006)
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/academic.htm

"The first step for someone interested in coming to the U.S. to study
is to contact a school that has been approved by the United States
Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS) and find out if they are
accepting foreign students. Schools that are approved by the USCIS
include schools that operate as public educational institutions run by
federal, state or local governments and schools that have been
accredited by a nationally recognized accrediting agency. Schools not
fitting these categories may also get USCIS approval but they are not
approved automatically. If the USCIS-approved school accepts the
student the student will get a document that they can bring to the
nearest U.S. Consulate to apply for a visa."

"Studying in the United States" Law Office of Susan W. Scheer (2006)
http://www.susuanscheerimmigration.com/DynamicContentPage_2.shtml

"The first thing you need to do is to locate a USCIS-approved school.
Many American universities, colleges and other academic institutions
are well acquainted with the F-1 visa process, but it is important to
ask them upfront if they are an approved school and if they are
currently accepting international students. You don?t want to waste
your time and money pursuing a school that is not approved."

"U.S. Student Visa: How to Obtain an F-1 Visa to Study in the United States"
by Peter J. Loughlin (2006) http://www.malet.com/student_visa_requirements.htm

This school's policies give you an idea of immigration classifications
you could have that would allow you to study in the United States
without receiving a foreign student visa from the school:

"International Student Status  

WATC requires that applicants who are seeking admission to WATC and
are not U.S. citizens meet one of the following criteria:

1.   Be a noncitizen national. Applicants must provide a passport
stamped ?Noncitizen National.?

2. Be a US permanent resident. Applicants must provide one of the following: 
a. Alien Registration Card. This document must be current and not
expire during their registration at WATC.
b. Passport. Applicants must produce a passport stamped ?Processed for
I-551? with a valid expiration date.
c. I-94. The student must provide a passport stamped ?Processed for
I-551? with a valid expiration date, or ?Temporary Form I-551? with
the appropriate information completed.
 
3. Other eligible noncitizen.  
a. Temporary Resident Card (I-699). Applicants must provide this
document with a valid expiration date.
b. Arrival-Departure Record (I-94). Applicants must provide this
document stamped ?Refugee or Asylum Status,? ?Conditional Entrant?
(before April 1, 1980), ?Parolee? or ?Cuban-Haitian Entrant.?
 
4. Student VISA of M-1 or F-1. Applicants must provide this valid
document along with a letter from their sponsoring institution
verifying the applicant?s current registration. A current schedule of
full-time (12+ credit hours) registration must also be provided. M-1
or F-1 applicants are not eligible for federal financial aid and are
assessed the nonresident tuition rate.

5. Work Authorization Card. Applicants must provide this document with
a valid expiration date. Applicants must also provide a letter from
their employer verifying their employment and indicating that the
coursework is relevant to their continued employment. Work
authorization status is not eligible for financial aid.
    
Applicants not born in the US or who graduated from a foreign school
must provide one of the following documents for verification:

1. Certificate of Citizenship. This certificate should include the
applicant?s name, certificate number and the date the certificate was
issued ? older versions of the certificate instruct the holder not to
photocopy them, but USCIS has advised that these documents may be
photocopied if done for lawful purposes.

2. Certificate of Naturalization. This certificate should include the
applicant?s name, certificate number, Alien Registration number, the
date and name of the court where naturalization occurred ? older
versions of the certificate instruct the holder not to photocopy them,
but USCIS has advised that these documents may be photocopied if done
for lawful purposes.

3. Certificate of Birth Abroad (FS-545, DS-1350 or FS-240, Reports of
Birth Abroad). Applicant must provide one of the listed documents,
which include an embossed seal with ?United States of America? and the
?State Department? on them.

4. US Passport. 
    
WATC is not approved by the United States Citizenship and Immigration
Services (USCIS in the Department of Homeland Security) to accept
applicants who are seeking admission through a foreign student visa,
and WATC does not issue I-20s.
    
All citizenship documents are copied and mailed to the Department of
Homeland Security to determine authenticity. This process takes
approximately one week, after which applicants are notified of their
admission status."

"Admissions" Wichita Area Technical College
http://www.watc.edu/learnerservices/admissions.html

The following two charts provide information about whether or not it
is legal to study in United States under each type of visa.  Since the
immigration rules are constantly changing, I again encourage you to
contact an immigration attorney to verify specifics relating to visas
you may be eligible to apply for.

"U.S. Immigration Classifications and Their Relationship to University
Enrollment and Employment" University of Iowa (January 28, 2004) 
http://intl-programs.uiowa.edu/OISS/documents_pdf/immigration_class.pdf

"Immigration Classifications Chart" University of Idaho
http://www.webs.uidaho.edu/ipo/intlscholars/documents/IMMIGRATION%20CLASSIFICATIONS%20CHART.pdf

Request for Answer Clarification by zafio00-ga on 29 Jun 2006 03:42 PDT
"Based on my research, it is not possible to obtain a student visa (F-1
or M-1) from a school that is not approved by USCIS.  However, that
does not necessarily mean that you cannot attend the school using a
different type of visa associated with a different immigration
classification."


wonko, I apreciate your effor, but I need a practical solution to my
problem, You recomend just getting another type of visa, because as an
American, you are unaware of it's difficulties. I have a B1/B2 visa,
but that will only help for a few months,whatever the immigration
officer wants it to last.
Other, more permanent type of visas requier huge investments, special
skills, or getting married, non are an option to me. I'm a young
student, that is my only true reason to visit the US.
Your links are worthless to my situation. I made the question, not to
enjoy reading a sudo-answer. I REALLY need an answer. Please remove
your answer and let someone else try to find information that will be
usefull to me.

Respectfully,
zafio00

Clarification of Answer by wonko-ga on 30 Jun 2006 10:11 PDT
I appreciate the difficulties you face.  However, the policies of the
United States regarding student visas are what they are, and they have
only grown stricter during the past few years subsequent to the
September 11 attacks.  According to all of the sources I consulted,
you cannot receive a F-1 or M-1 visa unless the school is approved to
issue it.  Since the school you want to attend is not currently
approved to issue it, you have three choices:

1.  Convince the school to get approved to issue student visas and get one from it.

2.  Obtain another type of visa or otherwise change your immigration
status to one of the types listed as being acceptable to Wichita Area
Technical College.  Of course, you should verify with the college you
are interested in as to what foreign students statuses they will
accept.

3.  Pursue a different school that is approved to give you the student
visa you want.  Provided that you go there full-time, you would be
eligible to take classes at the other school if it agrees to let you.

As much as you hope that there is some kind of loophole you can
exploit to get a a F-1 or M-1 visa without sponsorship from a school,
I am unfamiliar with one and was unable to find one.  All of the
sources I consulted agree on that point, with several strongly
advising foreign students to not waste time pursuing unapproved
schools.  I have researched several questions of this type in the
past.  The policies of the United States regarding student visas have
been tightened considerably, and I seriously doubt any such loophole
exists.

Given your situation, I strongly encourage you to consider pursuing a
different school that can give you a student visa if it is not
possible for you to obtain a different type of visa or otherwise
change your immigration status.  I am afraid that what you are trying
to do is simply not possible.  Of course, I strongly encourage you to
consult an experienced immigration attorney if you are determined in
your course of action since Answers are not intended to substitute for
informed professional legal advice.

Sincerely,

Wonko

Request for Answer Clarification by zafio00-ga on 30 Jun 2006 17:10 PDT
"I am unfamiliar with one and was unable to find one."

If YOU are "unfamiliar" or "unable" to find the answer, please post as a comment!!!
RE-OPEN my question, you haven't been able to answer my question.

Request for Answer Clarification by zafio00-ga on 02 Jul 2006 15:20 PDT
Could you  at least clarify me of another way I can get a visa that
doesn't involve getting married, having a special skill, spending
100k+ on a business?
If that is your way out, then please go ahead. I will take it as an
answer if it's do-able or at least reasonable.
The only ways out I see are through a foreign exchange visa and a
trainee visa, but I guess they riquier a USCIS approved school, so
that takes me back to your first comment: Go to another school.

zafio00

Request for Answer Clarification by zafio00-ga on 04 Jul 2006 08:27 PDT
Your not even going to give a clarification?

Wonko I'm takling to you!!!
Were are you??

Clarification of Answer by wonko-ga on 10 Jul 2006 09:11 PDT
I am sorry you were dissatisfied with my answer to your question. 
After performing additional research, I remain convinced there is no
way to accomplish what you are trying to do beyond the suggestions I
offered you.  Therefore, if you remain dissatisified with my answer, I
suggest you contact answers-support@google.com for information about
your options for reposting your question or receiving a refund.

I also strongly encourage you to consult a qualified immigration
attorney since my research is not intended to substitute for informed
professional legal advice.

Sincerely,

Wonko
zafio00-ga rated this answer:1 out of 5 stars
The researcher didn't answer my question, when asked for a
clarification he refused, and refused to remove his coment and let
someone else answer.
Google should do something about this kind of people working for them.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
From: myoarin-ga on 30 Jun 2006 19:35 PDT
 
Zafio00,
You asked:
"How can I get a student visa from a school not acre[d]ited by the USCIS?"

By definition, you cannot, unfortunately, as Researcher Wonko
explained in detail, with suggestions of alternatives.

It is always disappointing when a question cannot be answered in the
way that asker wants, but it is still the correct answer.

Since your question was open for three days, I expect that other
Researchers had a look at it  - a couple of them are also very
familiar with US visa regulations -  and came to the same conclusion.

Regards, Myoarin
Subject: Re: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 30 Jun 2006 21:19 PDT
 
I believe Wonko has given an accurate, informative, and well-presented
answer. Google Answers Researchers can gather data, but we cannot
guarantee that the data will conform to a customer's desires. As
Google Answers Researchers, it is our job to find the facts for you,
and that is precisely what Wonko has done here. We do not create the
facts, nor is it generally within our power to alter them.
Subject: Re: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
From: zafio00-ga on 01 Jul 2006 01:38 PDT
 
"We do not create the facts, nor is it generally within our power to alter them."
I'm not asking for altered data or a dreamland fantasy. 
But wonko's "comment" is un-aceptable as an answer, the solutions
presented by him are:
1)Get another type of visa (If this was an easy task, then why not get
a student's visa? -It's almost laughable.)
2)Go to another school (Man, how could I never think about that one
before. Sorry, I was been sardonic.)
3)Convince the school to get aproved by the USCIS. That was the first
thing I tried, but since the school is so small, they woun't bother.

Pinkfreud, google researchers are not the only people in the world
with access to google or other search engines. Do you think people
come here to get answers, not as their last option? I made my
research. Is there a loophole like wonko said? I don't know. I'll tell
you who else doesn't, Wonko. He was unable to give me an answer. I'm
taking this matter sirously, because it is a serious matter to me. I
wish I could applaude, that seudo-answer and suck it up knowing it's
useless, It would save me the fatigue of this reply.


Do I think reseacheres have law bending powers? -No.-
Does a comment become an answer when you fill it up with links? -No.-
Is there a loophole or what ever you want to call it? -Find out.-
Subject: Re: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 01 Jul 2006 10:37 PDT
 
Wonko made it clear that he found no way for you to do what you would
like to do. He presented the only available options, as he sees them.
Based upon my knowledge of immigration law, I believe Wonko has
presented the situation accurately. Google Answers is not a final and
authoritative source of legal information, and for a Google Answers
Researcher to present his findings as if they are professional legal
advice is against site policy.
Subject: Re: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
From: zafio00-ga on 01 Jul 2006 13:43 PDT
 
"He presented the only available options, as he sees them."
-That is right as HE sees them. I'm not looking for his opinions, I
have enough of those by my own.

"Google Answers is not a final and
authoritative source of legal information, and for a Google Answers
Researcher to present his findings as if they are professional legal
advice is against site policy."

You sure seem think his answer is "final" I don't. I'll take it as a
comment but not as an answer.

Re-open my question!
Subject: Re: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
From: zafio00-ga on 01 Jul 2006 17:03 PDT
 
It's simple as this.
I asked:
How can I get a student visa from a school not acreited by the USCIS?

1-I know I can go to another school, acredited by the USCIS and get a
visa from them. -But that is not my question.

2-I know I can ask my school if they want to get aprooved by the
USCIS, but it doesn't help if they are not willing to go through the
trouble.
Still, that is not my question. ...that's not even an answer, it's
more like a thought. -Dude, way don't you asked them if they want to
get aproved?-

3-I know I could get another type of visa, sure I only have to spend
100k for a type E visa, that would solve it.

Why not a 4th: go to Austrelia. -Oops, I guess it doesn't answer my
question either.-

I'm sorry if I'm not impressed by redundancy.
OPEN my question NOW!!!!
or cancel it all together.

It really is simple my question hasn't been answered.
Subject: Re: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
From: sapphire_rose-ga on 05 Jul 2006 11:59 PDT
 
"It really is simple my question hasn't been answered."

Sure it has been.  You asked "How can I get a student visa from a
school not acreited by the USCIS?"

The correct answer is "You can't".  

Swearing at the researcher won't change the laws or the facts at hand.
 Sometimes, the answer is simply "No".
Subject: Re: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
From: czh-ga on 05 Jul 2006 12:36 PDT
 
Hello zafio00-ga,

Since this is the first question you've posted you might not be
familiar with the Google Answers procedures and how to deal with what
you consider to be an unsatisfactory answer. Check out these links so
you can take appropriate action.

http://answers.google.com/answers/faq.html
http://answers.google.com/answers/help.html

All the best.

~ czh ~
Subject: Re: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
From: cynthia-ga on 05 Jul 2006 13:56 PDT
 
zafio00,

Check this link:

Oregon State - Schools approved for the SEVIS Program
http://www.ice.gov/sevis/map/or.htm

This is the Student Exchange & Visitor Program. If your small art
school in Oregon State is on this list, you can get in that way.

~~Cynthia
Subject: Re: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
From: zafio00-ga on 06 Jul 2006 00:03 PDT
 
"Sometimes, the answer is simply "No"."

I asked for the google police and I got the semantics police.

Rose, have you seen all those unanswered questions? thoes are the ones
with no answers, like this one. I'm not sure if you are Wonko in
disguise tring hard to be cute, or what.
It's not the fact that it is an unsatisfactory answer that bothers me
like czh said, it's how plain and over the surface the research is,
and the fact that it was presented as an answer, frigid and final, not
as a comment. I bet the search terms used were a combination of the
words Oregon, students visa, USCIS ...all words part of my original
question, you and everyone else are free to enter those words, you
will land the same conclutions. I came here as a last option, looking
for the NON-obvious, for CREATIVE ANSWERS, and for HELP, wonko's
research is mechanical, not made by the human mind but by the art of
copy/paste.

Take a look above you will see the shining names of the researchers,
not coming here to contribute, not making any effort. Shame.
The only person who has shown any kind of responsability around here
is the researcher named Cynthia, she was untouched by the rude answer
clarification request (Now erased) I made to wonko. What did she do?
With out saying a word, with true stoicism, she made a search, and
post it here for me to read. A lot different from other researchers,
just trying to tell me to suck it up. That is true character.
Lamentably, no, the school is not on the list, but I apreciate you
being the only one keeping perspective Cynthia. Thanks.

P.S. Swearing might not help, but sure makes you fell better.
Subject: Re: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
From: cynthia-ga on 08 Jul 2006 14:03 PDT
 
zafio00,

Thank you for your kind comments, I wish I had been able to assist you
more. If I find anything that may help you in the future, I'll
remember to come back and post what I find for you. The notification
system has been broken for awhile, so you'll need to come back and
check every so often to see if I, or anyone else has been able to
locate a loophole (or new idea) for you.

~~Cynthia
Subject: Re: Student visa for a non acredited art school?
From: singingbanzo-ga on 12 Nov 2006 15:15 PST
 
Do you know what "zafio" means in Spanish? It's not a common word, but how accurate!

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