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Subject: The difference between "simple" and "classical" file sharing.
Category: Computers > Software
Asked by: billbauer-ga
List Price: $26.00
Posted: 26 Jun 2006 03:17 PDT
Expires: 04 Jul 2006 19:31 PDT
Question ID: 741077
Please Help,

I would like to use PSEXEC program to automatically log into computers
in the student labs at my university.  According to
http://www.sysinternals.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3748&PN=1
I have to convince System Admin to 
"turn off simple file sharing and thus turn on classical file sharing".

I would like to be ready to address our system admin's concerns (if any).

In your answer, please include the following information:

1.  Is "classical file sharing" more (less?) secure than "simple file sharing"?
2a. What are the main differences between these two ways to share files?  
2b. What are advantages and disadvantages of classical file sharing?
2c. What are advantages and disadvantages of simple file sharing? 
3.  I understand that under classical file sharing, "incomming network
users authenticate as themselves".  Currently, in the computer labs at
my university, username field in the Novell window already contains a
generic username (set to the name of the machine, i.e. AE160_03), and
the students can simply click "submit" button (without filling in the
password field) to log in.  Is it the case that once we switch to
"classical file sharing", students won't be able to use a generic
username and no password?

It would really help if I could get this question answered by noon
today (June 26).  This urgency is the reason I set such a high price
for this question.

Thank you for your help!

Clarification of Question by billbauer-ga on 26 Jun 2006 08:40 PDT
Answering by 2pm Eastern would also be ok...

Clarification of Question by billbauer-ga on 26 Jun 2006 11:11 PDT
If you can, please help me with this question sometime before the end
of Wednesday this week.  Thank you.
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Subject: Re: The difference between "simple" and "classical" file sharing.
From: tomalak-ga on 03 Jul 2006 06:30 PDT
 
Hi,

In Windows 95/98/Me, you shared data by assigning a password to a
shared folder, and anyone that knows the password can gain access to
the data.

In XP there are two methods of sharing files and folders. One is
'Simple', the other (as you put it) is 'Classical'. However the term
'Classical' is misleading because it's way more powerful than in
previous versions of Windows. 'Classical' file sharing is simply known
as Windows File Sharing with the "Simple File Sharing" option turned
off.

---

Simple File Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/filesharing.htm

Advantages: Easy to setup, quick to use, easy to access.

Disadvantages: Practically impossible to restrict access to certain
(groups of) users. Actual control over specific access rights is not
available. Access is on a free basis and it can be very easy to lose
control of the situation.

Simple File Sharing is enabled by default on Windows XP Professional
systems that are members of a workgroup (typically used in small
networks) rather than a domain (typically used in large corporate
networks).

There are no passwords or access restrictions (in the default setup)
and, with one exception described in the article linked to above,
everything that's shared is accessible by everyone on the network.
Simple File Sharing is the only type of sharing available in Windows
XP Home Edition.

---

'Classical' File Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_filesharing/index.htm

Advantages: Per-user access control; specific control over specific
files; read/write/delete/etc all differentiated between so that access
isn't just "on" or "off".
Disadvantages: Not available in XP Home.

---

As far as I know there is no difference in the way XP implements the
two methods, except in the options made available to the active user
in setting them up.

The simple sharing options will most likely save settings under huge
masks, such as "make this folder available for ALL users" instead of
the more specific settings you could make with classical sharing.
Obviously this is pretty dumb so avoid it if you can.

You asked:
>>> Is it the case that once we switch to "classical file sharing", students
>>> won't be able to use a generic username and no password?

I don't know how Novell would interact with Windows File Sharing. Most
likely you'd be looking at the Novell tools instead to do this sort of
stuff... although what tiny experience I have with NetWare is that the
Domain does tie in to Windows somehow so it should act just like a
usual Windows account.

But why you'd want to go to the lengths of configuring Classical File
Sharing for greater access control, and then NOT require passworded
accounts, is beyond me. You seem to be contradicting your need for
security with your desire for insecure ease of use.

Anyway, in conclusion, Simple File Sharing is incredibly insecure and
I am frankly shocked that a System Administrator at a University has
left this option enabled at all. That's IT for you.. :)

Hope this helps,

Tom
Subject: Re: The difference between "simple" and "classical" file sharing.
From: billbauer-ga on 04 Jul 2006 19:31 PDT
 
Tomalak, thank you so much for your answer!  I will be able to use
this information when I try to convince our sysadmin to change to
classical file sharing in order to allow me to be able to use PSEXEC. 
Once again - thanks!

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