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Subject:
Real Estate Brokers
Category: Business and Money Asked by: tornado2-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
27 Jun 2006 15:59 PDT
Expires: 27 Jul 2006 15:59 PDT Question ID: 741587 |
I am a first time homebuyer and was told to get a real estate agent to represent me. I did, even though I was told that in New York state, agents only represent the seller. The one I chose came to my house and spent a lot of time getting to know what I want and my price range. She is great and sends me many listings, but all of them are from the firm she works for. She has worked with me for almost 6 months. I have not signed any agreement with her, but she said to make sure that if I found something, to let the seller's real estate agent know that she is representing me. Because I believe that two eyes are better than one, and because there are other real estate firms in town, I am also looking for listings in the local paper and have found many things myself. When I see something I like, I tell her and go to an open house. She said to make sure I put down her name as representing me. For a recent listing that I found, I did just that. I found it in the paper, I went to the open house, I signed in with her name as my agent, and made a bid. I was told by the man at the open house to call another person. This other person, I found out, was the real estate agent representing the seller. The conversation was going well. Then I said that I wanted to make sure this person knew that I had an agent that represents me and who's name I signed in at the open house. This person got upset and asked if the other real estate agent had done anything. This person asked if the real estate agent registered me. I said I didn't think so. I really would like to purchase this property. I don't understand what is going on here. The real estate agent representing me has done so much work showing me properties, sending me information, coming to my house to interview me about what I like and what I can afford, etc. I think it is fair for her to represent me. But, then again, she did not find this property for me, she didn't go to see it. I am confused. My main concern is not losing this property, but I also feel a loyalty to her. The question is basically, "What are my moral obligations in this?". Related to this are the questions: Can I lose this property by being represented by an agent? Or in other words, can the seller refuse to sell it to me for the sole reason that I have a real estate agent? If so, what purpose is there for having a real estate agent. It seems like it is more of a burden than anything. In the scenario above, is it right to have my agent represent me, or should she expect that if I find it myself that she is not going to be my agent? |
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Subject:
Re: Real Estate Brokers
Answered By: keystroke-ga on 30 Jun 2006 22:46 PDT Rated: |
Hello. Legally, you have no obligation to have an agent or not. My parents just bought a house and the agent that was selling the house to them acted as a "double agent," representing both their interests and the seller's. However, my parents live in a small town and that's just basically how it's done there, with no other choice. In bigger markets and cities, most people hire their own agent to protect their own interests, and their agent does all the negotiating with the sellers through the sellers' agent. In this way, both interests are protected-- each of the agents negotiates the best price for their client. A "double agent" might actually want the buyer to pay more than the buyer wants to, since the agent works by commission and makes more on the sale the higher the price. Most experts do recommend that a buyer hire their own agent to represent their own interests. To make things easier, I'll refer to your agent as Agent A and the sellers' agent as Agent B. Agent B was perhaps adamant that you not use Agent A in the negotiations because Agent A, upon your buying the house, would actually receive part of Agent B's commission, meaning less dough for Agent B. In other words, you don't pay your agent and the sellers don't pay the agent, but the sellers' agent would pay your agent out of their commission. Agent B makes, for instance, six percent commission. Maybe they would get three percent and yours would get three percent. (I'm not sure exactly how the percentages would work out.) This is also why your Agent A wants you to put down her name at the open houses! She has a specific interest in making money on whatever house you buy. This also explains why she has only been showing you houses from her real estate agency; perhaps she's showing you her own listings, in which case she gets all the commission, or perhaps she wants her colleagues to make part of the commission rather than a stranger or competitor. This is actually another form of the "dual agency" mentioned above, in which neither side is completely impartial and representing only one client. As far as moral questions go, I would not worry about any loyalty to your agent. If she has only shown you houses from her firm, she might only have her own best interests at heart. Or, that could be a coincidence, and her firm could truly have the best listings for you! I doubt that the sellers themselves would have any problem with you having a buyers' agent, because they pay the same commission whether or not you have an agent. I don't think that getting this house will depend on whether you have an agent or not. Is the price you made in your offer significantly lower than what the sellers were asking? Do you live in a really competitive market where buyers compete for houses? I would say these are the most important factors in your decision. If what you're offering is close to the asking price and you don't live in a really competitive market, you have a good chance of getting the house no matter what. The sellers will probably accept your offer. If you want your agent to get half of the commission rather than the sellers' agent, go ahead and get her involved in negotiations. The sellers' agent has proven to be pushy/selfish by trying to bully you into not using an agent. To me, that would translate to them not having your best interests at heart and trying to get you to pay more for the house than it's worth to up their commission. It's up to you to decide whether you would be more comfortable with your own agent representing you in negotiations. I would say you have no moral obligations either way. If you want the agent representing you, have her represent you. If not, don't-- as you said, she did not specifically find this property for you. The seller's main concern is getting the highest price, not whether you have an agent-- and an agent representing you would probably be better at negotiating on your behalf than you yourself would. They wouldn't have the direct conflict of interest that the seller's agent has. The seller's agent, by the way, is legally obligated to present them with all real estate offers. So it's not like the agent could "hide" your offer and not show it to the sellers or something like that. The most important thing is the price you use to negotiate and the offer you make. Good luck with the home buying experience! I hope you find a home you love, and I hope I helped you. |
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Subject:
Re: Real Estate Brokers
From: myoarin-ga on 01 Jul 2006 01:50 PDT |
Who said that there are no new G-A Researchers? Welcome aboard! |
Subject:
Re: Real Estate Brokers
From: cynthia-ga on 01 Jul 2006 18:58 PDT |
I just want to refer you to a question I answered last night: Subject: etiquette question http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=739690 Maybe it's the case in New York that all agents represent sellers, but you have, in effect, had a "Buyer's Agent" working for you. The same answer applies, the reason your agent has been asking you to please tell everyone SHE represents you is because she has spent a lot of time with you and wanted to be compensated. Believe me, if you had referred the FIRST AGENT (at the property you want to buy) to YOUR AGENT, you would not be experiencing this confusion. The sellers agent wants to make DOUBLE commission. Real Estate commission is broken down to 2 parts. On a 6% commission, it's like this: Listing Agent: 3% Selling Agent: 3% If the same agent lists the house AND finds the buyer, they get 6% instead of 3%. On a $500,000.00 house, 3% is $15,000, --not chump change. They are trying to keep that $15,000 "in house" --among friends. Who do you think they are concerned about? Certainly NOT YOU. Call your agent immediately. ~~Cynthia-ga Google Answers Researcher |
Subject:
Re: Real Estate Brokers
From: wordsmth-ga on 01 Aug 2006 10:15 PDT |
You've got a really messy situation here. Keystroke gave some good advice, but there are a couple of things missing. You have some sort of agreement with the agent representing you--a so-called buyer's agent--but that relationship isn't clear. There are three types of arrangements: Exclusive agent (anything you buy, regardless of whether you or your agent found it, would trigger a commission to your agent), exclusive agency (you'd owe a commission on anything she found for you, but not on anything you found for yourself), or open (you'd owe a comission on anything she found, but you could use other agents as well or do it yourself). As a practical matter, the commission will be paid by the seller if the seller has listed with an agent. If not, for instance, in cases of some FSBO's, you might actually be on the hook for the commission under an exclusive buyer arrangement. But without a signed agreement, neither you nor she knows what the arrangement is. You need to find this out immediately. Once you do so... You did OK with the property you were interested in until you actually made a bid. If you've got an agent (exclusive buyer, especially), she's the one who should put together an offer. True, you legally can do it. But remember that the other agent is representing the seller's interests, not yours. And he knows a heck of a lot more about such things than you do. Your agent should have been involved in putting together the offer. Remember: your agent will get paid by the seller; it'll cost you no more to involve her in the process. You ask what your moral obligations are? That's irrelevant. Morally, you feel an obligation to "your" agent. And practically, as I noted above, involving her won't cost you a penny and may save you money. But the question is: What are your legal obligations? And that comes back to what your relationship (exclusive, exclusive agency, or open) is with "your" agent. My advice: If you are interested in the property--first, clarify your relationship with "your" agent. Then work with her to put together an offer on the property. That way, you're proceeding legally and morally and you stand the best chance of acquiring the property you want. Good luck. |
Subject:
Re: Real Estate Brokers
From: keystroke-ga on 06 Aug 2006 08:55 PDT |
Thank you for the kind words and the generous tip :) Good luck with your house hunting/buying process. |
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