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Question for Answerfinder-ga -- re model in Waterhouse paintings
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Visual Arts Asked by: marcdrogin-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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04 Jul 2006 15:24 PDT
Expires: 03 Aug 2006 15:24 PDT Question ID: 743361 |
Answerfinder-ga, you kindly complimented me on my taste in choosing two "very nice pictures"and hoping I would enjoy them when I acquired copies for my home. You don't know the half of it. A few weeks ago, staring idly at the screen on my laptop computer, I decided it would be a joy to have an ever-changing array of my favorite paintings as desktop images. The first painting I pursued via Google Images was John William Waterhouse's The Lady of Shalott. And suddenly the whole beautiful world of Waterhouse's paintings emerged. Since I've spent many years researching, writing about and teaching mediaeval scripts, I needn't try to explain to you what enormous pleasure it was to see his interpretation of mediaeval themes. Hunting one day for yet more examples of his work I clicked on a website... and there was my wife. What I had found was the chalk study The Sketch for Lady Clare Small. It was a portrait of my wife. Please don't misunderstand; it didn't remind me of my wife, it wasn't reminiscent of my wife, it was a precise exact perfect sketch of her. Were it not for the fact that the sketch dates to circa 1900 and that my wife at that general age would have had to sit for it in the mid-1950's [she is 70 now], it is she. And just a few days ago I found a second sketch, again of her. It is the most astonishing thing to sit and look at these two works and be looking back half a century at the beautiful woman I married. The more I look at Waterhouse's work the more I think I see that model appearing here and there in a wealth of his paintings. Sometimes her face is elusive, sometimes obvious. Now I am curious. Can you possibly tell me who this model was? Is there anything known about her? Is she recorded as having been the model for other of Waterhouse's specific paintings? It is so strange to sit here and look into those sketches and feel sad never having known someone who probably died a century ago and whose exact image reappeared as my wife half a century later. The two sketches can be seen at: http://johnwaterhouse.com/view.cfm?recordid=98 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jwwaterhouse.org/images/content/waterhouse/hi/170.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jwwaterhouse.org/paintings/painting3413.aspx&h=600&w=497&sz=90&hl=en&start=4&tbnid=_4nnn1Lvqq3jVM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=110&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwaterhouse%2B%252B%2522Head%2Bof%2Ba%2Bgirl%2522%26svnum%3D50%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG. |
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Re: Question for Answerfinder-ga -- re model in Waterhouse paintings
Answered By: answerfinder-ga on 05 Jul 2006 02:02 PDT Rated: |
Dear marcdrogin-ga, What an amazing, spine-tingling experience it must be to discover these pictures. It must bring back so many memories for you. Let me see I can help further. When Waterhouse died he left few documents which gave information on who his models were. It was known at an early stage that in his early career family members sat for him, but it was not until recently that academic research has identified two models: Muriel Foster, and Mary Lloyd who also posed for Frederic Lord Leighton. There may be others, but Foster, or idealised portraits based on her, may be the primary model source after 1895. This however, is still open to debate as there is still another dark-haired girl who remains unidentified. The model for Lady Clare has not been idenified with any certainty. Given time and your particular interest, and having read the below sources, you may perhaps carry out your own investigation and look at all his images and perhaps come to your own conclusions on which model posed for Lady Clare. This is an excellent site on Waterhouse which contains two articles on his models. http://www.johnwilliamwaterhouse.com/ The first page is on how Muriel Foster was identified. It details several academic sources and compares images. The Waterhouse Ideal - An Essay by Cathy Baker http://www.johnwilliamwaterhouse.com/library/article.aspx?id=models (The article appears in full in The Journal of Pre-Raphaelite Studies, Volume 8, New Series, Fall, 1999. 'Miss Muriel Foster: the John William Waterhouse Model' author: James K Baker and Cathy L Baker. Back issues may be available through this page.) http://www.yorku.ca/jprs/ This second page deals with Mary Lloyd http://www.johnwilliamwaterhouse.com/library/article.aspx?id=letter You may have come across it already, this is the poem ?Lady Clare? by Tennyson which inspired the painting. http://whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au/words/authors/T/TennysonAlfred/verse/englishidyls/ladyclare.html The story of Muriel Foster has inspired this fictional account of her life. You may be interested in the Prologue. (On Google Print. You may have to register to view it.) Murielle: The Story of a Model, a Painting, and the Artistry of John William Waterhouse http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=iP8sFqfdfpMC&oi=fnd&pg=PP6&sig=MkE2WTYGnblYU2FUDnOVnl_VRxo&dq=waterhouse+%22Muriel+Foster+%22&prev=http://scholar.google.com/scholar%3Fq%3Dwaterhouse%2B%2522Muriel%2BFoster%2B%2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG This period of art history - the Pre-Raphaelites and Victorian Gothic - were part of my art history degree, so I very much enjoyed this research. Thank you. I hope this answers your question. If it does not, or the answer is unclear, then please ask for clarification of this research before rating the answer. I shall respond to the clarification request as soon as I receive it. Thank you answerfinder |
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Dear Answerfinder-ga -- I should have mentioned that I'd read some of those sources and come to the conclusion, from available illustrations, that Muriel Foster was not the model who posed for the sketches of my wife. Mrs. Waterhouse also bore no similarity based on the oil portrait Waterhouse painted. Your information sent me after Mary Lloyd who also cannot be the model in question. The additional sources you sent me to did provide two valuable points to consider. First, that Waterhouse sketched not only professional models but friends as well -- which opens the field enormously. And that pre-raphaelite artists were known to adjust the features of a model to suit their own concept of beauty when painting. In conclusion it is probably impossible to find the very model in question. If she actually existed precisely as sketched. And maybe that is a nice way to end it. A woman should have a bit of mystery, after all. Thank you so much, Marc |
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Re: Question for Answerfinder-ga -- re model in Waterhouse paintings
From: myoarin-ga on 05 Jul 2006 04:23 PDT |
What a nice compliment to your wife, that in younger years her face was such a double for that of an artist's favorite model, perhaps even a double for his idealized images of the model. :-) |
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Re: Question for Answerfinder-ga -- re model in Waterhouse paintings
From: answerfinder-ga on 05 Jul 2006 07:49 PDT |
Dear marcdrogin-ga, I'm sorry that some of the research was not new to you, but I am pleased to hear that it did open up new avenues for you. Now you've found Waterhouse, may I recommend another painter to explore: Edward Burne-Jones - again mediaeval and classical themes. Again with some idealised images. http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/burne-jones_edward.html Thank for the tip. answerfinder-ga |
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Re: Question for Answerfinder-ga -- re model in Waterhouse paintings
From: pinkfreud-ga on 05 Jul 2006 11:10 PDT |
I believe it is not uncommon to find a striking resemblance in artwork. Forty years ago, when I was 18 years old, I attended a poetry reading at the home of a well-to-do elderly gentleman. When I entered the house, the homeowner gasped and said that I was the exact image of a woman in a Victorian print that he treasured. I was skeptical of this, taking it for flattery, until I saw the print in question, which was framed and displayed on a stairway wall among numerous prints from the Victorian era. The girl in the print could have been my identical twin! Unfortunately, the owner of the print knew nothing about the history of the artist or the model, so I never learned more. |
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Re: Question for Answerfinder-ga -- re model in Waterhouse paintings
From: myoarin-ga on 05 Jul 2006 17:56 PDT |
Ah, now I can envisage Pinkfreud as my favorite Pre-Raphaelite model. :-) |
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Re: Question for Answerfinder-ga -- re model in Waterhouse paintings
From: marcdrogin-ga on 05 Jul 2006 19:02 PDT |
Quite right. She's one of my favorite answerers and my eyes always light up when I see she's tackled a question. Delighted now to picture her as a pre-raphaelite model. Makes Google Answers a prettier place to visit! |
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