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Polish citizenship question (far easier to answer if you speak Polish)
Category: Relationships and Society > Law Asked by: david8706-ga List Price: $25.00 |
Posted:
06 Jul 2006 15:01 PDT
Expires: 05 Aug 2006 15:01 PDT Question ID: 743903 |
I am an American interested in obtaining EU citizenship. I have seen conflicting information on Polish citizenship by descent on the internet and have found the consulates to be less than helpful. I would like to find out some details so I don't waste time or money pursuing this if it's not going to work out. I have kind of run into a brick wall because it seems in order to research this thoroughly one must speak Polish; while the current citizenship laws are available in English, I have not been able to find the older laws. If it ends up looking like I am eligible for citizenship I plan to go through an attorney who can handle the application directly in Poland rather than through a consul. My great-grandparents were born in Poland in the 1890s. My great-grandfather immigrated to the US in 1911 and was naturalized sometime before 1930. My great-grandmother immigrated to the US in 1920 and never filed for naturalization. Obviously there are some specific dates that I don't know - I would have to get birth certificates and INS records and that might take weeks. My grandmother was born in 1923 in the US. My father was born in 1953 in the US. His father was an American citizen. 1) How did citizenship law work at that time? a) Did a person become a Polish citizen at birth if one of his or her parents were a Polish citizen? Did it matter whether that parent was the mother or father? b) Was Polish citizenship lost by foreign naturalization? c) How does marriage affect this? If a Polish woman married a foreign citizen did she lose her Polish citizenship? 2) Is my grandmother a Polish citizen? If you can't answer this because of the lack of exact dates, what would need to be the case for her to be a Polish citizen? 3) Assuming my grandmother was a Polish citizen would my father have become a Polish citizen at birth? In other words, according to the citizenship laws applicable during that time period, is citizenship by descent passed down maternal lines when the father is a foreign citizen? |
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Re: Polish citizenship question (far easier to answer if you speak Polish)
From: myoarin-ga on 06 Jul 2006 19:33 PDT |
Perhaps the Tutuzdad's comment to this similar question is of interest. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=589789 |
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Re: Polish citizenship question (far easier to answer if you speak Polish)
From: david8706-ga on 06 Jul 2006 21:05 PDT |
The quote from the citizenship law in that comment is from the 1962 (current) citizenship act. I've read that in full, since it's available in English. The part quoted in that comment is the part about naturalization which isn't exactly relevent. The way citizenship by descent works is: My great-grandparents were Polish citizens. My grandmother may have received Polish citizenship at birth. This has to be determined using the citizenship laws applicable at the time of her birth (1923). Earlier laws might be relevant as well because they might affect whether my great-grandparents lost their Polish citizenship at some point. If my grandmother was a Polish citizen, my father might have received citizenship at birth. This has to be determined using the laws that applied in 1953, at the time of his birth. Other laws might be relevant too because they might have affected my grandmother's status as a Polish citizen. Basically, the biggest problem is that I can't find these other laws anywhere. I can't find anything other than the 1962 act with amendments in English. Hopefully someone can, or someone who speaks Polish might have far better luck finding them. From there it should be fairly obvious whether there's any point to me spending money on an attorney. |
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Re: Polish citizenship question (far easier to answer if you speak Polish)
From: fp-ga on 02 Aug 2006 14:03 PDT |
"In the 1890s" Poland was not an independent state. I do not know if this is of any relevance when trying to answer your question. However, it may be helpful to know if your great-grandparents were emigrating from Russia, Austria or Germany. |
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Re: Polish citizenship question (far easier to answer if you speak Polish)
From: hedgie-ga on 10 Aug 2006 20:52 PDT |
Dear David Based on what you told us, you are not eligible for polish citizenship by descent: " (...) By Descent: Child acquires citizenship regardless of the country of birth, if both parents are citizens of Poland or at least one of parents is Polish citizen and the other one is either not known or whose citizenship cannot be established, or who is stateless. Child, one of whose parents is a citizen of a foreign country acquires Polish citizenship by birth. However the parents by affidavit executed before proper Polish authorities within three months after the birth of the child can choose foreign citizenship for the child if the laws of the foreign country grant the child citizenship based on descent from the foreign parent. Polish citizenship can be granted to that child if he/she after turning 16, but before 6 months to the legal age executes an affidavit expressing the will of becoming the citizen before proper Polish authorities. " Anyway, rating is supposed to appreciate the whole answer, answer with all clarifications. To rate low and ask for clarification is counterproductive as it removes motivation to further research the issue. Rating cannot be changed. May be some other GAR will pick up your question and find a different answer. Good luck Hedgie |
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