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Use of the article "the."
Category: Reference, Education and News > Homework Help Asked by: carlitosintx-ga List Price: $2.50 |
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14 Jul 2006 18:00 PDT
Expires: 13 Aug 2006 18:00 PDT Question ID: 746473 |
Why do I have to use "the" before "hospital" but not before "jail" as in: He went to the hospital before he went to jail. |
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Re: Use of the article "the."
From: pinkfreud-ga on 14 Jul 2006 18:11 PDT |
In the UK, I believe the most common usage omits "the" before "hospital." I've often seen sentences such as "I visited him in hospital." |
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Re: Use of the article "the."
From: thither-ga on 14 Jul 2006 19:35 PDT |
Well, if "jail" were replaced with "shopping mall" in your example, you would use "the". So, might it have something to do with "going to jail" being a phrase which generally expresses "being incarcerated" - as opposed to "going to the jail" which would indicate a specific building? |
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From: myoarin-ga on 15 Jul 2006 02:01 PDT |
Thither, Your coment is absolutely correct: the difference is between the meaning of jail (or hospital in the UK) as an expression of the person's being incarcerated or hospitalized, versus the suggestion of an unnamed specific jail (goal in UK) or hospital. In Pink's example, "in hospital" clarifies that the visit wasn't "at home", the usual assumption in connection with "visit". |
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Re: Use of the article "the."
From: eiffel-ga on 15 Jul 2006 04:13 PDT |
Thither-ga and myarin-ga are correct. Furthermore, in the north-west of England the word "the" is often omitted, and it would not be uncommon to hear "I went t' beach" for "I went to the beach". |
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Re: Use of the article "the."
From: aussietpp-ga on 15 Jul 2006 08:56 PDT |
I think it may be to do with the intent of meaning. 1. "I am going to the hospital" meaning "Just visiting" 2. "I am going to hospital" meaning "Being admitted" I think the same applies to jail. Mind you where I come from we usually add up or down to 1. "I'm goin' up to the hospital" "I'm goin' down the shops" Cheers |
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From: ponder852-ga on 16 Jul 2006 08:27 PDT |
No, I disagree with the 5 prior commentators. You don't have to use the word "the" before "hospital" in your sentence unless you desire to do so AND it is relevant to both you and the person to whom you are speaking or writing. It depends on the personal context of both the speaker and the hearer. The word "the" is also known as the "definite article". If you wish to understand the grammar of the word "the" then a google search using the phrase "the definite article" or the phrase "definite article" will produce many good results. I liked this explanation sourced from "UsingEnglish.com" 'The' is the definite article is English. It is used to restrict the meaning of a noun to make it refer to something that is known by both the speaker or writer and the listener or reader. 'He's gone to the shops' (Here the listener knows which shops I mean)... Note that the words "a" and "an" are known as the "indefinite article". So if I hear you say to another person "He went to the hospital before he went to jail." I will naturally assume both you and the person to whom you are speaking have a common knowledge or a shared understanding about which particular (definite) hospital you are referring to but that with respect to the jail you may or you may not (it's indefinite) have a common knowledge about which jail is referred to. Further if by inserting the word 'a' into the sentence before 'jail' it becomes "He went to the hospital before he went to a jail." I would now be certain that with respect to the jail you and your listener had no common knowledge or shared understanding about which jail and that as the speaker you yourself may not even know which jail. Now try this. The other day my spouse said to me "Please wash the dirty dishes." So I went to the kitchen and washed every dirty dish and pot I found on the sink and benches. The next morning my spouse said "Why didn't you run the dishwasher? I thought I asked you to wash the dirty dishes." The problem - my spouse thought the particular dishes was definite and I thought they were definite but we lacked a common knowledge or shared understanding about which dishes!!!!! |
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Re: Use of the article "the."
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 16 Jul 2006 23:47 PDT |
Going to jail is like going to work or going to school. A lot like, in fact. It's not like going to the store or going to the beach or even going to the moon. You go to sea and to the ocean. To work and to the office. To town and to the city. To college and to the university. Maybe one is abstract and the other concrete, but I think it's just idiom. Tryx |
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Re: Use of the article "the."
From: myoarin-ga on 17 Jul 2006 02:21 PDT |
Hmm, well, I thought an idiom was words used to in a sense not implicit in their normal meaning. "Kick the bucket" seems to be a favored example. A nice selection of other examples of usage without an article, though. Ponder, That is all fine and correct and expands on the usage of articles, but it doesn't deal with the question of the difference in meaning if no article is used. |
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Re: Use of the article "the."
From: thither-ga on 17 Jul 2006 12:59 PDT |
A few final thoughts on this topic (please note that I am using American English in my examples): The cases where the article may be omitted are, it seems to me, instances where there is more is being expressed than the simple process of going someplace. I guess you could call them minor idiomatic expressions/shortcuts in that they are not fully literally translatable. For instance, going back to the original "jail" - here are three statements with their equivalent meanings: "I'm going to the jail." = I'm going to pay a visit to some specific jail. "I'm going to a jail." = I'm going to pay a visit to some non-specified jail. "I'm going to jail". = I'm going to pay a visit to some non-specified jail AND I'm going to be locked up. Obviously, there are many place nouns where the article can't really be omitted - I can't say that I'm going "to bookstore" or "to supermarket" or "to topless car wash" without the listener thinking that that was a bit of an odd sentence. It seems to me that the other cases where the article may be omitted also contain an additional meaning beyond simply going someplace: "I'm going to church" - not just going to that place but also attending services "I'm going to school" - not just going to that place but also being involved in the educational process "I'm going to sea" - not just going to that place but additionally sailing I think there might be a few more examples (like work and war although these are also verbs). So, going someplace vs. going someplace and something happening (at least that's my take). I hope this helps. Have a good day. |
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Re: Use of the article "the."
From: ponder852-ga on 17 Jul 2006 16:12 PDT |
Thither, I agree with you. Our answers are consistent. Carlitosintx originally asked the question - "Why do I have to use "the" before "hospital" but not before "jail" as in: He went to the hospital before he went to jail." Carlitosintx, in direct response to your question, in the English language you do not have to use "the" before the word "hospital" and you are not stopped from using "the" before the word "jail". Each of these 7 sentences are perfectly correct but each conveys a slightly different meaning. You will use or not use "the" and "a" depending on the particular meaning you wish to convey: He went to the hospital before he went to jail. He went to hospital before he went to jail. He went to hospital before he went to the jail. He went to the hospital before he went to the jail. He went to the hospital before he went to a jail. He went to a hospital before he went to a jail. He went to a hospital before he went to the jail. Here is another reference found via Google for extended understanding: "The Use and Non-Use of Articles" From the "Online Writing Lab (OWL) at Purdue University http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/eslart.html |
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