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Subject: life after die
Category: Science
Asked by: mahdi1111-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 20 Jul 2006 06:25 PDT
Expires: 19 Aug 2006 06:25 PDT
Question ID: 747983
what are consciousness theories ( only that ones that is not
disproved) and based on each on what will happen to our identity I
mean does we come back as another human or live animal after we die?

Clarification of Question by mahdi1111-ga on 21 Jul 2006 05:57 PDT
the second part of question should be replaced as follow:
"and based on each one what will happen to our identity after we die. I
mean does we come back as another human or live animal?"

Request for Question Clarification by cynthia-ga on 22 Jul 2006 09:28 PDT
You may find this chart helpful:

Religion Facts
Note the "Afterlife" column.

And this:

REINCARNATION - Its meaning and consequences
More detail about different religious beliefs as pertains to reincarnation.

Does these links satisfy your request?

Clarification of Question by mahdi1111-ga on 23 Jul 2006 11:48 PDT
No, I need only scientific answers.

Clarification of Question by mahdi1111-ga on 24 Jul 2006 13:16 PDT
I know some professors that know the answer of this question however
their price is high I want to request from one of them to answer this
question. Please every one that this question is interesting to
him/her, Sends it on "Google Answer" and sends the link of it to me.
So the sum of rewards will be acceptable for him.

Request for Question Clarification by cynthia-ga on 24 Jul 2006 13:29 PDT
There are no scientific answers available for what happenes after
death, there is only mere speculation, and religious belief, as my
links point out.

I'd be very wary of anyone charging money to furnish proof of what
cannot possibly be proven.

Good luck to you in your quest.

Clarification of Question by mahdi1111-ga on 25 Jul 2006 09:20 PDT
Currently Physics have some theories that explain how consciousness
happens (quantum mechanics, 40-Hz, narrative centre of gravity, global
workspace, relational mind). There is only one biological theory
(dynamical systems theory and complexity) which is not acceptable by
most of scientists; it says that complexity of brain network itself
induces subjective experience. Based on every theory it can be
predicted what will happen to the mind after death.
There is no answer at this time.

Subject: Re: life after die
From: probonopublico-ga on 20 Jul 2006 06:31 PDT
Sorry but there is no Life After Death.

Proof positive came after my mother-in-law died.

She firmly believed in Life After Death and went to church regularly
to ensure her place in Heaven.

However, she was forever saying 'I told you so' whenever - against all
odds -she eventually got something right.

If there had been Life After Death then I am convinced she would have
come back before now and said 'I told you so'.

Subject: Re: life after die
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 20 Jul 2006 06:36 PDT
Dag nab it!! I was looking forward to eternity in heaven, but now I
have nothing but a casket to look forward to thanks to Probo's
mother-in-law.  But then again, maybe she's just waiting for the most
opportune time to break out into her last and greatest "I told you
Subject: Re: life after die
From: frde-ga on 20 Jul 2006 08:21 PDT
Well, Jack

You do have one thing to look forward to

- a small side bet on who robs your body of gold fillings etc

- if you are really lucky, you might live on as some form of dental
transplant like Alister Cooke
Subject: Re: life after die
From: pinkfreud-ga on 20 Jul 2006 10:04 PDT
The questioner's use of the word "theories" implies scientific
research. However, the nature of the question is such that I don't
think it is likely to be the subject of serious scientific
investigation. I believe in life after death. However, my belief is
not based upon science, but upon religious faith.
Subject: Re: life after die
From: triumfdoogooder-ga on 20 Jul 2006 10:46 PDT
I think the question bothers more on theory of REINCARNATION i.e. the
cycle of dying and coming back in the same or lower form of being
depending on how you lived your life previously.  I suggest you read
books written by Bagavbrajita (doubt if that's the correct spelling)
and the indian Haricrishna movement on the subject of reincarnation.
Flipped through the pages some 25 years ago simply out of curiousity. 
I am a devout christian and still haven't come to terms with what I
read.  You'll have to do extensive research on your own if you're to
be absolutely convinced one way tor the other.  Happy reading!
Subject: Re: life after die
From: powerjug-ga on 20 Jul 2006 10:55 PDT
My Dear Person,

Your question sounds sincere and I wonder what other information you
have collected on the subject.  There are many people who have had
near death experiences and lived to tell about them.  There are many
people who remember past lives.  So, what does that make "you."  Of
course the Hindu's and the American Indians talk about their ancestors
coming back as animals but that seems to be rarer than people having
past lives.  I believe that if you think in terms of being an immortal
spirit who inhabits a body until it dies and then goes and gets a new
body after that(but forced be some mechanism to forget his last life)
you are on the right track.

Proof?  Is usually in the eye of the beholder.

Subject: Re: life after die
From: elids-ga on 20 Jul 2006 12:31 PDT
Pink makes a good point, you can not ask for a scientific theory in an
attempt to explain mithological beliefs.

It is likely that mythological/religious beliefs about the afterlife
got started as the result of near death experiences and a need to
reconcile two contradicting facets of being human, our first instinct
(self preservation) and our intellect (we realize all animals die, and
so must we).

A basic explanation of NDE

According to this perspective the cause of the NDE might be understood
as a result of neurobiological mechanisms, related to such factors as
anomalous temporal-lobe functioning, epilepsy, compression of the
optic nerve (as a cause of the tunnel sensation), chemical changes in
the brain related to serotonin and endorphins, and general changes in
brain functioning (Mauro, 1992; Britton and Bootzin, 2004). The
similarities amongst the experiences of the many documented cases of
NDE may be understood to signify that the pathology of the brain
during the dying and reviving process is more or less the same in all
humans, as suggested by Russian specialist Dr. Vladimir Negovsky
(Pravda, 2004).

Among the studies that support a naturalistic interpretation we find
the research of Blanke (2002), published in Nature Magazine [3],
who found that electrical stimulation on the brain region known as the
right angular gyrus repeatedly caused out-of-body experiences to the
patient[4]; though the patient did not report seeing her own face, for
example. Researchers have largely been unsuccessful in running
proactive experiments to establish out-of-body consciousness. There
have been numerous experiments in which a random message was placed in
a hospital in a manner that it would be invisible to patients or staff
yet visible to a floating being, but so far, according to Blackmore
(1991), these experiments have only provided equivocal results and no
clear signs of ESP.

A well-known scientific hypothesis that attempts to explain NDEs was
originally suggested by Dr. Karl Jansen (1995;1997) and deals with
accounts of the side-effects of the drug Ketamine. Ketamine was used
as an anesthetic on U.S. soldiers during the Vietnam War; but its use
was abandoned and never spread to civilian use because the soldiers
complained about sensations of floating above their body and seeing
bright lights. Further experiments by numerous researchers verified
that intravenous injections of ketamine could reproduce all of the
commonly cited features of an NDE; including a sense that the
experience is "real" and that one is actually dead, separation from
the body, visions of loved ones, and transcendent mystical
experiences. Ketamine acts in part by blocking the NMDA receptor for
the neurotransmitter glutamate. Glutamate is released in abundance
when brain cells die, and if it weren't blocked, the glutamate
overload would cause other brain cells to die as well. In the presence
of excess glutamate, the brain releases its own NMDA receptor blocker
to defend itself; and it is these blockers Dr. Jansen (amongst others)
hypothesize as the cause of many NDEs.

To read more about it go to
Subject: Re: life after die
From: bird66-ga on 20 Jul 2006 13:26 PDT
this link should be helpful:
Subject: Re: life after die
From: bozo99-ga on 21 Jul 2006 17:26 PDT

If there's no reincarnation why are there numerals in your name and mine?
I think this would be better filed under religion.
Subject: Re: life after die
From: pugwashjw65-ga on 22 Jul 2006 04:39 PDT
There is only one answer. And it comes from the Bible, which is God's
word to us. He created life but death is the result of disobedience [
By Adam and Eve...Genesis] This is what happens when we die.
Ecclesiastes 9;5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but
as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they
anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been
forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have
already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite
in anything that has to be done under the sun."
The dead remain "asleep" in death until the promised resurrection.
Revelation 20; 12,13.
Psalm 13; 3 Do look [upon me]; answer me, O Jehovah my God.
Do make my eyes shine, that I may not fall asleep in death,
1 Thessalonians 4;. 14 For if our faith is that Jesus died and rose
again, so, too, those who have fallen asleep [in death] through Jesus
God will bring with him.
There are many more scriptures confirming "asleep" in death.
Only 144,000 will get to heaven. Revelation 7;4 and 14;1. All the
other billions who have ever died are resurrected [ meaning ' a
standing up'] back to a fleshly life on earth. Psalm 37; 9-12, 29, 34]
Makes for interesting reading.
Subject: Re: life after die
From: pugwashjw65-ga on 22 Jul 2006 04:48 PDT
Bryan, What you stated is only your personal opinion. Can you back it
up with some form of proof. Can YOU explain death? Even I cannot do
that. But the Bible CAN.
Genesis 3; 3 Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the
wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say
to the woman: ?Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from
every tree of the garden?? 2 At this the woman said to the serpent:
?Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for
[eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden,
God has said, ?YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it
that YOU do not die.?? 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: ?YOU
positively will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day of YOUR
eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to
be like God, KNOWING good and bad.?
Believe it or not, the words are from Satan, God's enemy. He lied to
Eve and thus confirmed that death WAS the result of disobedience. I
personally have never come across a better or more logical
Subject: Re: life after die
From: pugwashjw65-ga on 22 Jul 2006 04:52 PDT
And WHO [?] is the serpent?. 
Revelation 12;7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi´cha·el and his angels
battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but
it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in
heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent,
the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited
earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled
down with him.
Subject: Re: life after die
From: jameybond-ga on 28 Jul 2006 07:03 PDT
There cannot be a scientific answer to this question, because we
cannot have a proof for that.We cannot add a chemical
tag(radioisotope) to the dying person or his soul an see if it comes
back again somewhere in the world. Even if there are people telling
something about their past life(even it may be true), dont forget evil
spirits can do that, because he is a liar.

I dont thing there can be life after death in this world, certainly
there is a heaven and hell where people will live eternally based on
what they beleive and do in this world.

Rather than trying to find a answer to this without certainity and
proof, trying living a humble and peacefull live, you will find a
answer when you die.
Subject: Re: life after die
From: thalmaturge-ga on 31 Jul 2006 02:47 PDT
Of course there is life after death. You are alive and many have died befor now.

If you ask what about my individual personal life, the answer is the
same, you only need to realise that your life is more than just what
is contained in your body. Is someone realy alive if they are in a
permanent vegatative state?

If to be alive is interact with your surroundings, then every thing
you meet is part of of your life. You are alive as long as lifes that
you have touched live on.

If you do not belive me take it from Shakespear's sonnet 65, which ends

..................................  where alack,
Shall Time's best jewel from Time's chest lie hid?
Or who his spoil of beauty can forbid?
Or what strong hand can hold his swift foot back,
   Oh none, unless this miracle have might,
   That in black ink my love may still shine bright.
Subject: Re: life after die
From: sachinkotak108-ga on 03 Aug 2006 06:51 PDT
please look the link below for sufficient scientific evidence of reincarnation:
Subject: Re: life after die
From: ukbikerman-ga on 13 Oct 2006 03:17 PDT
You could have a look at Roger Penrose's work on quantum consciousness
if you want some real science....he is working on the planck-scale and
has a few things to say on this issue. cf 'Emperors of the Mind' and
'Shadows of the Mind'There is then the famous (infamous) Copenhagen
interpretation of quantum mechanics put forward by Bloor et al and a
quick google gets you into that no bother.
Alternatively you could perhaps

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