Refer to #737133. I have identified the the above gentleman as the
current Baron von Manteuffel. I need to contact him to inform him of
the availability of his great grandfather's baton and be able to send
him pictures if he's interested. This is out of courtesy to the
Manteuffel family.

HI Boyce,

I have just been looking at the German online telephone book:  dastelefonbuch.com

If you enter manteuffel and hit GO, it finds 360 Manteuffel listings
and shows them ten per page  - 36 pages.  On the page with listings
301-310 there are three persons with the name Manteuffel-Szoege, all
with "Baron von".

But the very last listing on page 36 is shown:  "Zoege von Manteuffel
...", i.e.,  "... von Manteuffel Zoege" in normal order, that is,
virtually the same name within acceptable variations in spelling that
can occur over a couple of generations.
There are also a few other "Baron von Manteuffel" scatter among the
360, and quite a few "von Manteuffel", also scattered, since the phone
book alphabetization lists all "von" after the first names.

As I believe I mentioned before, it is very likely that persons with
the name "von Manteuffel" could also be "Baron" or "Freiherr" and have
chosen not to show the title in the phone book or maybe not use it in
daily life.  Others may have foregone the "von", perhaps more likely
in the new German states, since a "Junker" background was a definite
disadvantage under the communists.

ALSO:  the title "Baron" can be used by anyone descending from someone
with that title; there is no single "Baron von Manteuffel", as there
would be in England.

This explanation may be superfluous if you have truly verified that
the directest descendents of the owner of the baton are named von
Manteuffel-Szoege.
If there is any question about this, however, the search is still open.

You would still need to identify which one of the three (or four) is
the right one.  Perhaps one is a generation older,  I can't say.

If you have yourself now any question about the correct descendent,
perhaps you could list the persons that lead to this name.

Good luck, Myoarin

Dear Myoarin-ga, I determined the current Baron von
Manteuffel(-Szoege)from this site:www.keyserlingk.info/default.asp
Enter the the above name under "search" and you will see the current
link. Also, in your last clarification #737133, you were kind enough
to suggest a site for German Militaria, but you seem to have omitted
the name or at least I couldn't see it. Anyways, I need to get hold of
this guy to give him 1st option on the baton before it goes to
market.I've discovered the son of the Field Marshal was the famous
"Red Baron" of World War 1. He was followed by Hasso Manteuffel who
commanded the 3rd,6th, 7th, panzer divisions in WW2.  These
Manteuffels should be the subject of a mini-series. So, see what you
can do!

Boyce,
Thanks for replying.  Forget the militaria for the moment.  I have
forgotten the details, but if the baton is documented, and you end up
wanting to sell in the open market, I suspect that it would deserve
placement in serious auction for militaria (not than I am interested
in the subject).

I tried the Keyserlingk website and found lots of Manteuffel-Szoege,
but did not discover your link to Edwin von Manteuffel.  By the way,
there are also Zöge-Manteuffel,  Zöge und Szoege being in principle
the same name, although maybe not, or maybe distant branches.

I also wonder if Edwin was married or had children, since none of the
German or English sites I searched mentioned a wife or children, widow
or descendents, but of course, that does not have to be the end of the
story.

The Red Baron was Manfred von Richthoven, from his age, at best a
grandson, more likely, a great grandson of Edwin, son of a daughter or
granddaughter, if Edwin had children.  Are you sure of a relationship?

The WW II General Hasso von Manteuffel was the son of Hasso v.M.  This
site says that Edwin was his granduncle:
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9050635

Please let me know what I missed on the Keyserlingk website.

Regards, Myoarin

Hey, Myoarin, I realize now, how far ahead of me you are in this,
naturally, you are the consummate researcher. You didn't miss anything
on the keyserlink, I just assumed when this Baron Alexander came up
with his wife etc. I had found the current Baron. Of course, I didn't
think to relate him to Edwin. They do have a relation search but I
didnt put in Edwin's name. I wonder if it's even there. Sounds like
you checked it out. You say that Hasso was his grand nephew and not
grandson? OK. makes sense.I wonder if any of these current
Szoeg-Manteuffels or Manteuffel-Szoeg are related to Hasso. Geez, what
do you think? This is proving to be a pain in the ass. Say what?  
Boyce-ga

Dear Myoarin-ga, Let's leave this open for the next few days and then
we will close it together and I will be able to remunerate a tip
commensurate to your assiduous efforts. I've made other arrangements.
Also, if you'd like me to send you some pix of this thing, say so,
then you'll at least see what we were talking about.      Boyce-ga

Boyce, 
Thanks for the kind words, but I think I am just a little closer to
the German scene, living here so long.  Furthermore, I am not a G-A
Researcher who could "answer" a question and get paid or tipped  -
their names are in blue -  but nice of you to think so.  Yes, I did
look for Edwin on the Keyserlingk site, but did not find him.

Scriptor-ga is the Researcher with the real savvy for this question: 
German, history buff, whiz on genealogical searches.  Maybe he will
turn up.  You could post a new question on with "for Scriptor-ga" in
the subject box, but wait a week or two as I expect that he is taking
vacation.  Maybe the Researchers' grapevine will contact him by email.

Let's hope so.
Regards, Myoarin

I doubt that any Google Answers Researcher will take this question on.
Posting this kind of contact information would, I think, be a
violation of our GA contract.

PInkfreud is, of course, correct that contact information would not be posted.
At this point, it is a genealogical question of identifying a person.

Perhaps your local library has a copy of the "Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels":
http://www.starkeverlag.de/shopfactory/de/dept_54.html

In this case I could let you know in which volume you would find
further information.

Apparently, the family does not have its own website:
http://www.baltische-ritterschaften.de/Familien.htm

Some interesting links (in German):
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogisches_Handbuch_des_Adels
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manteuffel
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoege_von_Manteuffel

Referring to my previous comment I should add that the genealogical
details in the "Genealogisches Handbuch" concerning this branch of the
Manteuffel family are from 1967.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to send an e-mail to the "Deutsches
Adelsarchiv" (German Nobility Archive) and ask them if they would
forward your message to a member of the Manteuffel family.

The e-mail of the "Deutsches Adelsarchiv" as mentioned here:
http://www.marburg.de/sixcms/detail.php?id=20606