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Subject: IBM AS/400 hardware technical guide
Category: Computers > Hardware
Asked by: enchanter_tim-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 10 Oct 2002 10:03 PDT
Expires: 09 Nov 2002 09:03 PST
Question ID: 74886
I recently aquired an AS/400. This system refuses to boot, and I'm
looking for hardware guides (also known as Operator Guides)
(especially guides which contain hardware errorcode diagnostics as
displayed on the LCD console.)

The system is a AS/400 model 4902 with serial 44-76545 (a tag with the
number 320W  is placed besides the serial number, but afaik, this is
identification tag used by the company I aquired the system from)

A sample errorcode is 917B0AA3

TIA

Request for Question Clarification by lot-ga on 10 Oct 2002 12:36 PDT
IBM's 'usually' have a 4digit number followed by 2digits and a letter
e.g. 1234-12a, so you need to append your 4902-xxy two more numbers
and a letter? (I have 2 IBMs)
regards lot-ga

Clarification of Question by enchanter_tim-ga on 10 Oct 2002 13:21 PDT
I couldnt find any additional numbers. I think the refurbish date was
09-94. I have searched for the number earlier but wasnt able to find
anything. I have now opened the whole machine and couldnt find
anything containing additional numbers, except the PSU's (there are 2)
which contains the text "Part no 74G9793 Type 042"

The only other usefull text is on the front pannel that reads "IBM
AS/400 Advanced"
 The model I have doest contain any color, except the totally black
casing. afaik, the newer models have a red or yellow or even blue
"stripe" this extra info might or might not help, but its something ..

I think there even is a picture of the machine somewhere on the net.
If you think it might help I will try to locate it, and post the link
to it.

Clarification of Question by enchanter_tim-ga on 10 Oct 2002 13:25 PDT
I found another number on the "mainboard" : the "replace with part
number" sticker reads P/N 74G9701 FN 2661 9178

Clarification of Question by enchanter_tim-ga on 10 Oct 2002 14:44 PDT
I think I found the answers I was looking for in several places (thank
$DEITY for google groups :) )

one of them being:
 
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=cvuj5.74296%24N4.1969191%40ozemail.com.au&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3D74G9701%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Dcvuj5.74296%2524N4.1969191%2540ozemail.com.au%26rnum%3D2

This doesnt ive the information I requested, but mainly some info
about the model I have here. (and the improbability of ever running
OS/400 on that thing)

Do I have to close this question and open another if I want some help
searching for a (free) OS that can run on the machine? all the info I
now have so far indicates that it is one of the old CISC based
machines, and that it will probably not run linux or netbsd or
somesuch.

Request for Question Clarification by haversian-ga on 10 Oct 2002 14:48 PDT
Is this what you are looking for?

AS/400 Sys Oper: Operator's Guide (SC21-8082-02)

Abstract:
This manual is intended for AS/400* system operators and system
administrators. It provides information about:
o Using the control panel
o Starting and stopping the system
o Handling messages and SRCS
o Using commands and displays to perform tasks


http://www.elink.ibmlink.ibm.com/public/applications/publications/cgibin/pbi.cgi?CTY=US&FNC=SRX&PBL=SC21-8082-02

Clarification of Question by enchanter_tim-ga on 10 Oct 2002 14:59 PDT
umm.. it looks like the real thing, but I have checked later versions
of that document (the current one for the iseries is in the redbooks
section), and basically its an OS/400 manual. Not much use for it im
affraid :( all they say about hardware errors (like unable to ipl from
device, as the errorcode I mentioned earlier probably is) is "contact
your IBM support contact" or somesuch.

Thanks for the info, as I know how hard it is to find info in the IBM
maze, but it really wouldnt be much use to me

Request for Question Clarification by haversian-ga on 10 Oct 2002 17:16 PDT
enchanter_tim,

I don't want to be throwing links at you until something sticks, but
I've found a few more in that rat's nest that is IBM's website.

Slicing the AS/400 with Logical Partitioning: A How to Guide
http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/9445fa5b416f6e32852569ae006bb65f/33a56f968ace908b852566f00060b22d?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,AS%2F400
This might have some information on what OSes you can run (though if I
understand partitioning, there has to be *something* like OS/400 that
you were talking about running in the background, enforcing and
maintaining the partitions).

On a more diagnostic front, I've found
AS/400e Diagnostic Tools for System Administrators: An A to Z
Reference for Problem Determination
http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/9445fa5b416f6e32852569ae006bb65f/1f65306db0627221852569960043b5ce?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,AS%2F400
AS/400e and AS/400 could be completely different things though, so I'm
not sure this one will be helpful either, but let me know if I'm on
the right track, at least:)

Thanks,

-Haversian
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Subject: Re: IBM AS/400 hardware technical guide
From: cjc01-ga on 04 Jan 2003 17:05 PST
 
Howdy.
I stumbled on to this question and thought I might be able to help if
you are still interested.
If you have acquired an older CISC AS/400, you will have a rough time
finding a copy of OS/400 (the operating system of the AS/400) that
will run on it. That's because, during that era, the OS was actually
property of IBM, and you merely licensed the use of it. When a version
upgrade was done, the media was sent back to IBM. Having said that,
there are still a few copies left lying around in the basements of
enthusiasts.
The OS/400 version numbering is actually different from most other
OS's. The notation is VxRxMx, where V is Version, R is Release, M is
Modification, and x is a single digit.
The machine you have would require V1RxMx or V2RxMx. The standard
media would have been a tape of some kind, since those models were
pre-CD. Typical at that time would have been half inch cartridges.
These are about the size and shape of an audio "8-track" tape.
Another, slightly later option was an internally mounted 8mm tape. QIC
was common in many capacities, but slow.
The hardware you have is unique and can not be run by any other OS.
Although a CISC processor, it is a 48 bit architecture.
The later RISC systems are 64 bit and can actually run AIX (the OS for
the RS/6000) from IBM, as well as the IBM distribution of Linux. Oh,
by the way; the newer ones will run all three (OS/400, AIX, Linux) at
the same time, on seperate processors. This is what LPAR (Logical
PARtitioning) has evolved into.
As for determining the meaning of the SRC code from the front display
panel, the IBM Service guides are available on line.
If you would like, I can provide more detailed information about your
system. Since I have been making my living with the AS/400 since 1988,
I am quite familiar with the IBM documentation maze. The numbers you
included are actually processor "Feature Codes" that can be looked up
if you understand how. Since this is a very old system (CISC was
replaced by RISC in 1995) you might not want to bother. If you are a
hobbyist, I'm willing to try to help out.
CJ     ==_-+-
Subject: Re: IBM AS/400 hardware technical guide
From: cjc01-ga on 04 Jan 2003 18:44 PST
 
Oh, yeah.

Although there are still three model ranges (9402, 9404, and 9406)
from smallest to largest capacity, the second half of the model number
is actually the one that the machines are know by. Examples would be
9402-E06, 9404-E25, 9402-400, 9402-F02, 9402-40S, 9406-D80, 9404-F10,
9406-320, 9406-640. These would be referred to as model E6's, E25's,
640's, etc. Basically, anything starting with a letter other than an
S, is from the original CISC family.

If yours actually says "9406-320", then you have a model 320. You said
the label was marked with "320W". Well, the power supplies for the
earlier systems were rated at 320Watts, so that might be what you are
seeing. The tag for the model number should also be where the serial
number is on the outside of the case. If it has a "9402-xxx", then
that is the model number. If it is actually what you typed, "4902",
then this is an identification tag that is not from IBM. The IBM
serial number tag is clearly marked IBM and the serial number is
listed as "S/N: xx-xxxxx".

There is actually a third part to identifying the machine you have.
That is the processor feature code. For example, a model 9406-320 with
the processor feature code #2050 has one processor. The 9406-320
FC#2051 has two and the 9406-320 FC#2052 has four. The performance
ratings are obviously very different.

Check out http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/pubs/html/as400/onlinelib.htm
for documentation on the older systems. Unfortunately, they only go
back to V4R1Mx online, and only cover back as far as the model 4xx
hardware. I, however, believe I still have V2R3M0 documentation stored
in the basement if you are interested in pursuing it.

Check for document GA19-5486-18 online. The title is "AS/400 System
Handbook". It is an ITSO (International Technical Support
Organization) publication known as a "RedBook", as opposed to an
actual manual. It is actully for OS/400 V4R3Mx and V4R4Mx, but the
appendix give some basic information on all of the earlier models.

You need the right model number and the right OS version to determine
the meanings of the SRC codes as they changed from model to model, and
some times from OS version to version on the same model.

The original cabinets were that old PC "putty" colour. Then they went
to an all black case when they changed the definition of AS/400 from
"Application System/400" to "Advanced System/400". Later, they split
the model line in to two and the "AS/400e" was born. The "Server"
models had a red stripe. The "Interactve" models had a blue stripe.
The "Dominoe" models had a yellow stripe which earned it the nickname
"bumble-bee". The latest variation is a copper stripe, representing
the new copper processor technology.

For information about the current systems, see
http://www-912.ibm.com/supporthome.nsf/document/18425302 for
documentation.

The AS/400 was renamed the "iSeries" as part of the "eServer" line.
The AS/400 became the "eServer iSeries", the RS/6000 became the
"eServer pSeries", the S/390 mainframe became the "eServer zSeries",
and the Netfinity servers (Windows xx machines) became the "eServer
xSeries".

By the way; you can install xSeries server motherboards as expansion
cards to the iSeries. At that point, you could be running four
seperate OS's under the same cover. OS/400 as the managing, native
partition; AIX as a secondary partition, running the same CPUs in a
different mode; Linux as a secondary partition running the same CPUs
in a different mode; WinNT, Win2k, or whatever you want running the
Intel processor based xSeries "server-on-a-card" as an expansion card.

CJ     ==_-+-

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