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Subject: Lincoln Statue
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: kelli-ga
List Price: $75.00
Posted: 10 Oct 2002 13:57 PDT
Expires: 09 Nov 2002 12:57 PST
Question ID: 74987
I need information on a statue that belonged to my Aunt's Family
(General Owen Summers).  It is a statue of Abraham Lincoln by Daniel
Chester French. It appears to be bronze, he is seated in a chair with
his legs crossed.  I have several pictures in bmp. format I can send
to you.  I would like to authenticate this piece and find out the
value.

Request for Question Clarification by nellie_bly-ga on 10 Oct 2002 17:18 PDT
Hi-

If you could provide some further information, it would help in the
search.

For instance:

What are the dimensions of this piece?

Is it signed or how do you attribute it to French?

Are Lincoln's legs crossed at the knee or the ankles?

Please describe the chair in which he is sitting, is it similar to the
one in the Lincoln Memorial?
Could this piece have been a study for the Memorial statue?

How did you come into possession of the piece?

What other attempts have you made to authenticate the piece?

Thanks

Nellie Bly

Request for Question Clarification by aceresearcher-ga on 23 Oct 2002 10:54 PDT
kelli,

Were you able to pursue this any further? Or would you like additional
help in doing so? If so, please post a Request for Clarification,
including an additional information you may have obtained (especially
the height of the statue, if you can get it), and I will see what I
can do for you!

aceresearcher

Clarification of Question by kelli-ga on 26 Oct 2002 13:18 PDT
added information about Lincoln Statue

16 1/2" tall by 8" wide, No marks or stamps, no paperwork, Lincoln
legs are crossed at the knees, he is sitting on a arm chair with legs,
he is reading the Emancipation Proclamation with signature of Abraham
Lincoln.  On the back of the chair there are stars.  This was from the
estate of General Owen Summers or Portland, OR, He was married to my
Aunt Helen Summers and she personally told me it was done by Daniel
Chester French.  I can email jpg. file pictures, contact me at flake
@ctaz.com

Request for Question Clarification by aceresearcher-ga on 27 Oct 2002 04:51 PST
kelli,

I am looking into this further. Does French's name, signature, or
anything resembling a name or signature appear anywhere on the statue?

You can upload your photos of the statue at
http://www.imagemagician.com (you will need to go through free
registration first to do so). When you have done this, please post
their urls (the filenames that begin with
"http://www.imagemagician.com/filelist.php?large_view=")

aceresearcher

Clarification of Question by kelli-ga on 27 Oct 2002 13:13 PST
Picture of Lincoln statue  
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/specialk/lincoln1.jpg
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Subject: Re: Lincoln Statue
From: kevinva-ga on 13 Oct 2002 15:04 PDT
 
http://sheldon.unl.edu/HTML/ARTIST/French_D/SS.html
http://www.60east42st.com/About/History.html
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/ihas/icon/french.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/statue/1287/English/ArtDeco/nebraska/danfrench.htm

Various articles about Frenchs lincoln sculptures - hope this helps
Subject: Re: Lincoln Statue
From: aceresearcher-ga on 15 Oct 2002 09:30 PDT
 
I’ve been waiting for a couple of phone calls to be returned, but at
this point I wanted to get the information I had located posted for
you so that you can pursue further leads.

A bronze reproduction is currently on display in the State House
Rotunda in Trenton, NJ
(http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/omb/publications/03bib/pdf/bib.pdf).
It is on loan from the New Jersey State Museum Collection. Ms.
Margaret O’Reilly from the museum’s Fine Art department was kind
enough to return my call. She says their particular reproduction was
done once Daniel Chester French had decided which pose to use for the
full-size sculpture inside the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC
(http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/today/apr20.html). Unfortunately, she
told me that she is not permitted to release the valuation of their
statue.

However, she did say that (as I suspected) French had tried the
sculpture in a number of varied positions before settling on the final
version, and that in fact, there is a book about the different
versions he made (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0822520672/002-2735637-4763255).
Ms O’Reilly also told me that French’s former summer home in
Massachusetts, Chesterwood, is now a museum and memorial dedicated to
him, and that they have several of the reproductions in question
(http://www.chesterwood.org/history.html). The Chesterwood museum can
be reached at (413)298-3579.

Another copy is in Lincoln's tomb in Springfield, IL. I don’t know
whether they would release its valuation, but you might give them a
try:  "Call (217) 782-2717 or write: Site Manager, Lincoln Tomb State
Historic Site, Oak Ridge Cemetery, Springfield, IL 62702".
(http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/art/lobby.htm)

Yet another copy is in the lobby of the Lincoln Building at 60 E. 42nd
Street in New York City:
(http://www.60east42st.com/About/History.html). My message to the
building’s management has not yet been returned; however, you might
want to try contacting them yourself. The phone number is
(212)697-0697; there are also several e-mail addresses on their
contact page (http://www.60east42st.com/Contact/index.html).

Finally, I found that a 190.5 cm (approx 75”) bronze reproduction was
sold at auction on Nov 28, 2001
(http://web.artprice.com/EN/PS/ArtItems.aspx?refGenre=C). However, you
will have to pay to find out the selling price: Artprice.com will sell
you 20 price lookups for $20, so this may be an inexpensive 
preliminary way to find a valuation for your piece, if it has the same
dimensions
(http://client.serveur.com/EN/Forms/UnitSelect.aspx).

Interesting factoid: there is considerable academic debate whether
"Chester French purposely sculpted A. Lincoln's statue so that his
hands formed an "A" and "L"." (i.e., the position of the hands forms
the sign language signal for each character:
http://where.com/scott.net/asl/abc.html ). Since he had produced for
the Thomas Hopkins Gallaudet School for the Deaf a sculpture of the
founder which shows Gallaudet making the hand sign for “A”, it has
been speculated that French intended the position of Lincoln’s hands
in the sculpture to represent “A” and “L”
(http://library.gallaudet.edu/dr/faq-lincoln-memorial.html). A
close-up of the sculpture showing the purported sign language hands is
at
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MUSEUM/Armory/galleryB/french.html .

I really hope that you will find this to be of some assistance to you.
Good Luck!
Subject: Re: Lincoln Statue
From: aceresearcher-ga on 15 Oct 2002 09:39 PDT
 
Let's try this again: the Artprice.com auction price can be found at
http://web.artprice.com/default.htm, click on "English", enter
"Chester French" in Artist Search, click "OK", click on "Auction
Records", click on "Sculpture-Installation", item is first on the
resulting list.

I hope this will get you the information you need.
Subject: Re: Lincoln Statue
From: tutuzdad-ga on 08 Jun 2003 12:37 PDT
 
If you would like to re-post your question and request me personally
(FOR TUTUZDAD ONLY), I can answer your question by putting you in
touch with an expert who comes highly recommended from one of the
reputable sources, and who is most qualified to authenticate your
statue as being one of French's works (if that is indeed the case).

I cannot, of course, authenticate your statue myself, but I have no
doubt that the expert art consultant I will direct you to can. I
personally know someone who found a previously unknown/long forgotten
French statue of a seated Lincoln and suspected that it was athentic.
It had been on display in a public lobby for many years and in that
time has been used as everything from a leaning post to an ashtray. If
memory serves me correctly the statue was eventually declared
authentic by this expert art consultant and identified as an authentic
scale model of the Lincoln Memorial statute, and was an actual work by
French himself.

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga

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