Google Answers Logo
View Question
 
Q: Setting up a server ( Answered 4 out of 5 stars,   2 Comments )
Question  
Subject: Setting up a server
Category: Computers
Asked by: dunky-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 28 Jul 2006 14:42 PDT
Expires: 27 Aug 2006 14:42 PDT
Question ID: 750499
I have a gigabit ethernet G4 (dual processor 450mhz) and I want to
convert it into a server. I am planning on maxing out the RAM and
getting two hard drives. I want to mirror RAID the two hard drives.
What kind of hardware do I need and how do I set up the RAID on os x
10.4.
Thanks
Answer  
Subject: Re: Setting up a server
Answered By: maniac-ga on 28 Jul 2006 18:55 PDT
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Hello Dunky,

There are two main methods to implement RAID on Mac OS X.

[1] Software RAID - suitable for all but the boot disk. For this,
there is a good tutorial at
  http://www.samspublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=169526&seqNum=11
which walks you step by step through the process, but let me summarize
briefly below.

Run Disk Utility (found in /Applications/Utilities) and select one of
the two disks you wish to mirror. In the window, some options will
appear - select RAID. Drag a second disk to the RAID pane and set the
options you want (make sure "Mirrored" is selected) and then create.
After completing this, you can then use the pair of disks (by the raid
name) just like any other disk drive, but it will have the mirrored
data. This method is the simplest and does not require the Xserve
software nor any extra hardware (other than a boot disk & two disks to
mirror - the two disks should be the same size).

[2] Hardware RAID. For this, you would plug in an additional card (and
then the new disks to the card) which performs the RAID functions in a
manner transparent to the operating system. A common set up on larger
servers is to use mirrored disks for the boot disk and a RAID 5 for
bulk of the data storage. Links to reviews and products include:

  http://www.macobserver.com/review/2003/06/27.1.shtml
A nice review of FirewireDirect's Vanguard Series II (4.5 out of 5
thumbs up). A direct link to the products at Firewire Direct (price
varies by disk capacity and overall capability) is at
  http://www.firewiredirect.com/store/home.php
Something similar to what was tested runs about $700.

  http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/1394/USB/EliteAL/MirrorRAID/
Another hardware RAID w/ enclosure in the mirrored configuration.
Prices run from $400 to $1200 based on capacity.

A quick search with a phrase like
 hardware raid macintosh
 hardware raid macintosh comparison
 hardware raid macintosh review
provides several alternatives as well.

Apple's RAID card is also available at several locations - for example at ClubMac
http://www.clubmac.com/clubmac/shop/detail~dpno~488925~name~Xserve+G5+PCI+Hardware+RAID+Card~mfg~M9699G%2FA.asp
the card (no disks) is about $500 for SATA drives only (not Firewire)

If some part of the answer is unclear or you need additional reviews
or links to additional vendors, please make a clarification request. I
would be glad to help further.

  --Maniac

Request for Answer Clarification by dunky-ga on 30 Jul 2006 09:02 PDT
Hi there, thankd for the speedy answer but there are a few things
which i am unclear about:

1- When u say that software raid is suitable for all but boot disk do
you mean that you can't have the system drive mirrored (i.e. you would
need three hard drives to implement this solution, 1 for the os and
two for the mirroring) or does it mean you have to start up using a
boot disk to set it up?

2- THey are plenty of cheap raid cards on eBay, can i use them? (for
instance http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ultra-ATA133-IDE-RAID-PCI-Controller-Card-P06_W0QQitemZ220011717418QQihZ012QQcategoryZ96881QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)?

3- The hard drive on the G4 uses ultra ata 66, can I speed this up?
(if i were to buy the card above which is ata 133?)

I am planning on testing your solution this week...

Thanks

Clarification of Answer by maniac-ga on 30 Jul 2006 13:00 PDT
Hello Dunky,

To answer your additional questions in order:

[1] When u say that software raid is suitable for all but boot disk do
you mean that you can't have the system drive mirrored (i.e. you would
need three hard drives to implement this solution, 1 for the os and
two for the mirroring) or does it mean you have to start up using a
boot disk to set it up?

Hmm. In the initial answer, I meant that software raid would:
 - not be used on the boot disk
 - use two disks for user data (mirrored)
and require three disks total. I was led to that conclusion from the
references I found.

In doing some additional searches, I seem to get inconsistent answers such as
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSXServer/Conceptual/XServer_ProgrammingGuide/XServer_ProgrammingGuide.pdf
which indicates that the boot disk CAN be mirrored, saying in part
"you can easily use the built-in software RAID of Mac OS X Server to
mirror the boot drive" - though it does not say HOW, and
  http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=DiskUtility/10.5/en/duh1013.html
which describes some limitations on boot disk partitions and RAID, and
  http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303692
which indicates some Mac's cannot boot from a RAID volume, and then
  http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106594
which says in part that "In server versions verions 10.1 to 10.1.4 and
client verions 10.1 to 10.2.8, RAID volumes can be used as data
volumes only - not as the startup disk on which system software is
installed. You can RAID a startup volume in 10.3 or later."

So the specific yes or no answer will vary with your OS version and
configuration. I suggest using OS X 10.3 or later and using RAID to
mirror the entire boot disk (should be a safe configuration).

2- THey are plenty of cheap raid cards on eBay, can i use them? (for
instance http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ultra-ATA133-IDE-RAID-PCI-Controller-Card-P06_W0QQitemZ220011717418QQihZ012QQcategoryZ96881QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)?

Hmm. The link you provided did not seem to work (perhaps a session
cookie), but a search on eBay with
  Ultra ATA133 IDE RAID PCI Controller Card
shows a number of inexpensive interface cards, none indicate Macintosh
compatibility. They are cheap enough that you might be able to do a
test, but I can't be sure. Doing a similar search (using Google) and
adding macintosh to the phrase brings up items such as
  http://eshop.macsales.com/item/ACARD/AEC6880M/
  http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempo_raid133.html
  http://www.macsense.com.au/acard_ultra_ide_mac_aec-6880m.htm
which I recognize are much more expensive, but appear to have the
compatibility you need.

3- The hard drive on the G4 uses ultra ata 66, can I speed this up?
(if i were to buy the card above which is ata 133?)

The card would likely support it (as ATA 66), but will likely not
speed up the disk transfer (the card might have a bigger cache or
other effects that provide minor improvement). If you really care
about the performance - a new drive would be needed. You could use the
old drive to do backups or store data that is not so time sensitive.

I am planning on testing your solution this week...

Great. I hope everything works out OK for you.
  --Maniac
dunky-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars
Quick to reply and seems like a nice person!

Comments  
Subject: Re: Setting up a server
From: paul_pp-ga on 28 Jul 2006 15:13 PDT
 
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Highpoint%20Technologies/RRAID2310/
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/ACARD/AEC6880M/
http://www.smalldog.com/product/12652193

that should get you going :)


--Paul
Subject: Re: Setting up a server
From: paul_pp-ga on 28 Jul 2006 15:22 PDT
 
http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/

last one ;)


--Paul

Important Disclaimer: Answers and comments provided on Google Answers are general information, and are not intended to substitute for informed professional medical, psychiatric, psychological, tax, legal, investment, accounting, or other professional advice. Google does not endorse, and expressly disclaims liability for any product, manufacturer, distributor, service or service provider mentioned or any opinion expressed in answers or comments. Please read carefully the Google Answers Terms of Service.

If you feel that you have found inappropriate content, please let us know by emailing us at answers-support@google.com with the question ID listed above. Thank you.
Search Google Answers for
Google Answers  


Google Home - Answers FAQ - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy