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Subject: murder in the name of freedom
Category: Relationships and Society
Asked by: aslanian-ga
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Posted: 30 Jul 2006 07:21 PDT
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Question ID: 750825
What can i do as an individual to stop the militarism of the United States?

Request for Question Clarification by hedgie-ga on 07 Aug 2006 01:55 PDT
hi aslanian-ga

   I see this is your first question here, and I do not want you to
feel that you are being ignored by the researchers.
    Often, when it comes to questions of high public interest, like
this one, asker wants to see comments (views of GACs) rather than the
an 'official answer (by a GAR)'. The 'official answer', is more
difficult then a comment, since, like a good journalist, researcher is
supposed to put aside personal feeling and provide balanced, factual
answer. That can be quite hard, when one has a heart and reads the
news these days.
 So, one reason why no GAR provided the answer so far is (probably),
 to see (and let you se) how many and what comments will come.
The second reason may be this question is impossible to answer: 
Even if by same special grace of G*d, the right answer would be
revealed to a researcher, that answer would not be accepted by most
people, it would be attacked by some and ridiculed by others...

So, to overcome the two problems described above, you may have to respond
to this RFC and say that you want a paid answer, and want it now (or when).

I have in the past tackled some impossible answers:
 and even though I try to be factual and fair, some bias may be always
 discerned (real or imagined) in an answer to a political question.
 My answer to your question would be based on my answer to the 
 'Global Government'. Answer hat dealt with probable futures;
 This answer would deal with 'how to influence the path of the near term future'.

  Using the words from the (pretty good) comments you got so far,
 the  answer (obviously?) is
 "Sheep of the word unite"
 Since, as Nelson correctly noted, murder is a legal term, to limit
 killing, we need to define legally what  is justified (self-defense) and
 what is murder. But to define something legally, one needs to parlament,
courts, and most important, the law-enforcement. To create all that, 
 global government really - that would be long term project 
(project eagerly anticipated by it's opponents).

 On a shorter time scale, to eliminate the main obstacle to rule of the law
on this planet, USans would have to vote-out the current coalition.

 That would not be  easy to do:
 we have not only sheep, but also wolfs in the sheep clothing between
the voters and candidates.

Actually - half of the  US voters appear to be a combination of the two, 
something poetically shown in movie Dark Crystal

The 'key question' (KQ) was clearly posed during the last elections: 

Do you care for a 'global test'?

Answer by almost a half of the voters  was clear NO. 
So, US did flunk the 'global test' 
(by not shoving up for the test,and today by sabotaging the work of the UN).

  They did not do that because they believe 'they hate us because we are free'
  but because they want cheap gas (as evidenced by this correlation):
but they will not admit it, since they think that what they want is 'wrong'.

How to deal with this confused issue?

So, to bring this RFC to the end:
Do you want an 'answer', based on the few fragments mentioned above, and,
 if so, when, (how many more days, or how many comments) later would you want it?

There is no answer at this time.

Subject: Re: murder in the name of freedom
From: nelson-ga on 30 Jul 2006 09:56 PDT
"Murder" is a legal term.  The U.S. does not murder anyone, although
many are killed.

As to your question, you can't as long as Bush or a like-minded
Republican is in office.
Subject: Re: murder in the name of freedom
From: annefu-ga on 30 Jul 2006 11:35 PDT
Excellent question. I'd be interested in reading an articulate answer.
I'm also very curious as to why all of the left-wing individuals have
been completely unable to prevent or change the course of the events
of the past five years.
Subject: Re: murder in the name of freedom
From: markvmd-ga on 30 Jul 2006 14:08 PDT
Sensible US citizens have been unable to combat the lies and
manipulation from the Right because we treat our fellow Americans
(sorry, United Statesians) as intelligent beings rather than the
doltish sheep they truly are.
Subject: Re: murder in the name of freedom
From: timespacette-ga on 31 Jul 2006 10:12 PDT
very good question.  I wish I knew.

as markvmd pointed out, most people are like sheep, and don't think
much beyond their next paycheck. taking this into account, what one
individual can do I think has a lot to do with devising ways to wake
people up, but this has it's frustrating aspects given their sheeplike

Have you seen the movie called The Yes Men?  talk about sheep. my
goodness. I really think internet sites, movies and television that
succinctly points out the hyprocrisy and ignorance of our actions (or
non-action) is having the most effect on the populace in general.  Jon
Stewart is a master at this . . . take a look at this:

Many people don't understand that the current administration is
following the track of the Project for the New American Century, or
PNAC, a manifesto based on the idea of US world domination, both
economically and culturally.  There is a comment in this document that
implies that 'what we need to motivate the people is 'a new Pearl
Harbor'' . . . i.e. some event that will scare the bejeebers out of
everyone enough for them, as a whole culture, to get behind military
action.  Well, we got it in 9/11, and the mysteries surrounding this
event and the lack of preventative actions both before it happened and
on the day that it happened raises some real questions about the
priorities of those in charge.

I wonder what the results would be if we could take an actual poll of
the US population, and ask if they are in favor of the US dominating
the world.  I'd guess a slight majority would hem and haw and then say

how to stop militarism?  educate people any way you can.  stop
preaching to the choir and go to the ones who need educating. refuse
to fight. make a fuss about it in a way that doesn't put anyone down. 
reframe the debate.  create new memes. infiltrate.  get creative about

I have an 18 year old son who just registered his name into the US
military database.  With the way things are going in the middle east,
it's anybody's guess whether they will try to reinstate the draft.  I
think if they did, there would be a general revolt of some kind.

Hopefully the issue of global warming will wake up enough people to
transcend all this, but I don't think it will be an easy road. Perhaps
this will be the real 'new Pearl Harbor' and will unite the world
community in some way. One can always hope.

We're living in degenerate times, as the Buddhists say. The Dalai Lama
advises 'if you can't do good, at least do no harm.'   A good start.

good luck and stay tuned 

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Subject: Re: murder in the name of freedom
From: pugwashjw65-ga on 05 Aug 2006 03:03 PDT
Timespacette, in her sixth  paragraph, made a very good point. How to
stop militarism. Refuse to fight. There is not a single baptised
Jehovah's Witness in the United States that will put themselves in the
position of being sent to war. They simply do not join the armed
Subject: Re: murder in the name of freedom
From: nelson-ga on 05 Aug 2006 10:07 PDT
pugwashjw65-ga, you're sure of that?  How many baptised JW's have left
the community?  Surely some of them have joined up.
Subject: Re: murder in the name of freedom
From: hedgie-ga on 08 Aug 2006 23:14 PDT
This may well be first step, leading to solution of this problem:


"Democrats can no longer fake left and vote right. They can no longer
be wolves in sheep's clothing." He spoke of the two top issues Lamont
ran on -- opposition to the Iraq War, support for universal health
care -- as signposts for the national party...."

"This shows that change is possible," said former state Democratic
Party Chairman .."
Subject: Re: murder in the name of freedom
From: hedgie-ga on 11 Aug 2006 21:50 PDT
Tide is turning:

 Theoreticians are abandoning the neocon ship:

God bless Amrica.
Subject: Re: murder in the name of freedom
From: timespacette-ga on 13 Aug 2006 11:53 PDT
interesting article there, hedgie, thanks

as Bart Simpson once said 'Christmas is a time when people of all
religions all over the world come together to worship Jesus'

if we truly want real democracy and freedom to spread over the planet,
we have to allow for every point of view, as long as it doesn't harm
other people.  Both Christian and Muslim doctrine is rife with
violence, and oddly, hold ideals of non-violence. See the very
interesting book When Religion Becomes Evil

May all be blessed and find a way through ignorance

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