The late WJ (?Bill?) West (a pal of mine) and the author of ?The Quest
for Graham Greene? (1969) etc. told me that Sir Eric Edward
Holt-Wilson, the Deputy Director of MI5 until 1940, was a cousin of
the Greene family.

Sir Hugh Carlton Greene, a former Chairman of the BBC, also belonged
to the same family.

Can anyone please find confirmation?

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Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 03 Aug 2006 09:33 PDT

Someone is taking a peep ... I wonder who?

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Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 03 Aug 2006 10:35 PDT

Many thanks, Answerfinder, you were my primary suspect.

And many thanks for the progress achieved. Maybe they were only
connected by marriage but that will do!

Have a great holiday (?) ... I trust that you are going to Blackpool
this year for a change.

Let's talk (if that's the right word, which it isn't) on Monday.

All the Best

Bryan

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Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 05 Aug 2006 00:24 PDT

Absolutely brilliant, Freddy, Very Many Thanks!

Would Answerfinder now kindly post an Answer, in recognition of his excellent work?

I want this on my desk by 9:01 Monday.

And a promise that you (Answerfinder) will take no more holidays until Christmas.

All the Best

Bryan

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Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 07 Aug 2006 01:22 PDT

Answerfinder ...

You are very kind!

Thank you so much.

All the Best

Bryan

Me....

Bryan,

I cannot positively confirm part of the information. I?ll explain. 
Graham Green (1904-1991) and Hugh Carlton Greene (1910-1987) were
brothers. Both sons of Charles Henry Greene (1865 - 1942), one time
assistant Headmaster at Berkhamsted School.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Greene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Greene
http://www.angelfire.com/journal/ggbtps/BerkhamstedSchool_2.htm

His father was William Greene, of East Lodge, Bedford. I tried to
trace him and his father?s 1881 census and came up with this one, but
the problem is, the place of birth for Charles Henry does not match
that provided in Who Was Who 1897-2005 so it may not be accurate. 
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_1659454&HOUSEHOLD_SUB=1&frompage=5

Sir Eric Edward Holt-Wilson (1875-1950) was the eldest son of late
Rev. Thomas Holt-Wilson and Helen Emily, sister of late Sir E. Walter
Greene (Who Was Who 1897-2005).

Her family background is detailed under Number 320 on this page.
?+ 340 F    iii. Helen Emily Greene was born in Sfk Eng and died on 25 Oct 1880.
        Helen married ²Rev. Thomas Holt Wilson³ on 13 Sep 1870 in Eng.?
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisessex/Harris_chart.htm

Her mother Emily married a Edward Greene on 4 Feb 1840 in Eng.
Now whether Edward Greene is related to William Greene above I have
been unable to ascertain.

There must be a connection somewhere as the wikipedia article refers
to the brewing concern and Sir E. Walter Greene is listed as a J.P.
and Brewer on the 1881 census.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_1882027&HOUSEHOLD_SUB=1&frompage=5

Perhaps someone else can find the connection? In any event it appears
the connection to Holt-Wilson is only by marriage.

I?m away until Monday 0900. Perhaps someone else will solve the mystery.

answerfinder-ga

According to the Wikipedia entries mentioned by answerfinder-ga
"Charles Henry Greene and Marion née Raymond, were first cousins".

However, according to http://www.oxforddnb.com/ 
Charles Henry was married to "Marion Raymond (1872?1959), eldest
daughter of the Revd Carleton Greene, and a distant relative of Robert
Louis Stevenson".

It would possible that the Sir Eric Edward Holt-Wilson is related to
the Greene family via the branch of Marion Raymond Greene.

Census 1881:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_1665823

Bryan, I could continue with the research tomorrow.

Many thanks, Freddy ...

Yes please!

Bryan

According to http://www.oxforddnb.com/
i.e.
R. G. Wilson, 'Greene family (per. 1801?1920)', Oxford Dictionary of
National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004
[http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/50414, accessed 4 Aug 2006]

Benjamin Greene  (1780?1860), son-in-law of  Zachariah Carleton, had
several sons, among them:
John (1810?1867)
Edward (1815?1891)
and
William (1824?1881).


JOHN, solicitor, according to the 1851 census
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/census/uk/default.aspx
was the father of Carlton (without "e").
According to the 1881 census Carleton was the father of Marion Raymond
(mother  of Graham and Hugh Carleton)
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_1665823


EDWARD: According to the 1851 census
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/census/uk/default.aspx
Edward Greene was the father of Helen Emily (3 years old) (mother of
Eric Edward Holt-Wilson, 1875-1950).
Edward's household in the 1881 census:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_108472


WILLIAM had 9 children (according to the Oxford DNB), among them
"Charles Henry Greene (1865?1942), headmaster of Berkhamsted School".

Bryan,

Not only am I 10 minutes late, but I never really nailed the answer.
It were Freddy wot did it. Have this one on him.
answerfinder-ga