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Subject: best content management system for site for free or under $500 or phpnuke
Category: Computers > Internet
Asked by: onetwothreefour-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 11 Oct 2002 14:57 PDT
Expires: 10 Nov 2002 13:57 PST
Question ID: 75447
**sorry - only answers from researchers rated four or five stars will
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what are the best content management systems for websites ?

timescale - would like an answer within the next 5 days

I want to be able to build a site visually how i want (ie not be
restricted too much by a content management template) and yet easily
update the site and allow certain others to update the site too
Features of the system must include:
Essential
- password protected login for users to update the site - and i choose
who gets a password - say 5 users will be udpating in total (perhaps
only three  on concurrently )
- ability to post a news story to a specific section of the site
- ability to upload an image or images with a news story
- ability to upload a document file eg pdf or MSword with a news story
- ability to upload a document file eg pdf or MSword to a repository
type area of the site
- compatible with some form of on site search engine
- relatively easy to backup 
- works on a shared hosting type set-up ie does not require a
dedicated server

Desirable
- ability to upload a news story or item for approval stage before
publishing by author with higher level authority
- ability to automatically create "viewer poll" 
- ability to automatically create a calendar of events type page that
can be administered via the cms and generates pretty looking calendar
pages on the site
- includes own onsite search engine
- includes features to make backup easy 
- perhaps a hosted solution
NOTE
I want to run this on a unix server so please don't suggest windows
based solution
I favour php and mysql type solution 
Is phpnuke anygood ? the kind of thing i need ?

I also like article manager from interactivetools.com - very user
friendly and has most of the essential features but it seems a bit
slow in delivering the pages (uses shtml) and security worries me on
cgi based stuff
Also you don't seem to be able to get at the underlying database with
that system so if i ever needed to upgrade and extend to something new
it would be a problem i think to port to a different system

Summary 
What are the best php mysql CMS systems out there that meet my
requirements ?
What other solutions might suit that would run on unix ?
Is their a suitable hosted solution instead ?

Ideally Please give a feature and cost comparison table.

thanks
1234
Answer  
Subject: Re: best content management system for site for free or under $500 or phpnuke
Answered By: nenna-ga on 16 Oct 2002 08:15 PDT
Rated:3 out of 5 stars
 
Hello, I did some research through a friend of mine concerning your
question, who works with what you're asking for on a regular basis,
and this is the answer he gave me.

   " Ezpublish does all this, 
http://developer.ez.no. 
It's licensed under the GPL, 
meaning it's 100% free. They do hosting also so you don't have to
install on
your server.

Essential:

- password protected login for users to update the site - and i choose
who gets a password - say 5 users will be udpating in total (perhaps 
only three  on concurrently )

ezpublish does fine grain permisions, you can give a user as little or
as much
access as you want

- ability to post a news story to a specific section of the site

It does sections, front page posts, etc

- ability to upload an image or images with a news story

Each story can have it's own images, or reference images in a main
image
repository.

- ability to upload a document file eg pdf or MSword with a news story

Each story can have files attached also

- ability to upload a document file eg pdf or MSword to a repository 
type area of the site 

There is a 'files' area that does this.

- compatible with some form of on site search engine

You can run one of the scripts via crontab that will update it's index
nightly
so that the search feature works.

- relatively easy to backup

I believe everything is stored on mysql, so a simple mysql database
dump will
give you a file you can back up. The images and the files may be
stored
elsewhere on the site. So, you can just do a recursive download of the
whole
site and get everything stored there, along with your configuration
changes.

- works on a shared hosting type set-up ie does not require a 
dedicated server

It works best on a server that you have access to edit the apache
virtual host
entry, as it will use mod_rewrite to create easy to read paths. It
will work on
a non virtual host, or a virtual host you don't have access to by
using
the .htaccess file to configure it. All your documents will be mapped
off the
script that handles that type of document. The install documents
explain this
better. Using a host from one of their partners would be the easiest
way to go.

Desirable:
- ability to upload a news story or item for approval stage before 
publishing by author with higher level authority

It supports pending articles in the ezArticle module

- ability to automatically create "viewer poll"

Polls can be attached to the site.

- ability to automatically create a calendar of events type page that
can be administered via the cms and generates pretty looking calendar
pages on the site

There is an ezCalendar module, there is a modification available that
lets the
public view the calendar.

- includes own onsite search engine 

See the above answer about searching

- includes features to make backup easy

I don't know of any specific easy backup function, but it wouldn't be
very hard
to back up regardless.
 
- perhaps a hosted solution 

They offer their own hosting, and hosting partners.
http://shop.ez.no/shop/hosting/

As to your question about extending it, you can write add in modules
for it.
Each of the modules I've talked about are built on their core APIs"

So, I believe this is your solution, as far as a feature/cost
comparison table, there is none, since it is free. If you need any
further information or clarification, don;t hesitate, and we can
expand upon any of the information here.

Nenna-GA

Request for Answer Clarification by onetwothreefour-ga on 16 Oct 2002 16:07 PDT
Yes i knew about EZpublish from a friend and pending my question being
answered here i found cmslist-org which has a discussion of php cms
and also refers to ezpublish.
sourceforge and freshmeat sites also seem to have a number of systems
referred to - too many to investigate myself really and likewise too
many for you for the given fee

The detailed info  you give on set-up issues is useful though and 
I hadn't noticed the hosted option on the site - useful also.

However, to earn the fee for the question i think you should give a
comparison of at least one or two other systems and also some
references to sites that discuss or give reviews of these.

I have found one but it's in german - an article on Typo 3 which seems
to be very widely used also.

BTW I find it strange that there is no value added reseller for
ezpublish listed for the UK (where i am based). I would really like to
know which, if any, large firms rely on ezpublish to update their
sites or partners with them here in uk

Thanks in meantime
Judy

Request for Answer Clarification by onetwothreefour-ga on 16 Oct 2002 16:29 PDT
another thing i am confused about regarding ezpublish - how
customisable is the look and feel of it ?
i have a site already designed and don't want to change the look of it
much if poss - can i do that with any of the cm systems ?

Clarification of Answer by nenna-ga on 18 Oct 2002 15:23 PDT
Hello, I hope this helps with your clarification request. I went back
to the person who gave me the original information and showed him your
additional questions.... This was his response.


"I don't really like typo3 much. It seems to be very slow, and it's
API
was rather limited the last time I used it. It seemed to be a good 
choice if all you wanted to publish was news. Maybe the API has
changed
and he's added more features, but it doesn't look that way. Also, as I
use Mozilla on my macintosh and linux computers, typo3 only worked
with
IE and NS 4.x, it wasn't much of an option for me.

I often tell people, if you're looking to build a community, something
like Postnuke is the best. It's easy to just have a lot of users 
commenting to each other and posting articles. The plugins are pretty
easy to use also. You give up a lot of in easy editorial features by 
going with a nuke style site though. If you want to build a publishing
site, go with ezpublish. There really is no other open source CMS like
it out of the box, that I have ever been able to find. You could of 
course build something yourself out of one of the many many frameworks
available. A lot of people seem to expect that for a site with alot of
requirements like your site. Even buying an expensive CMS will require
alot of custom programing and work to get it running.

I checked the ezpublish reseller site, and there is no reseller in the
UK listed. I don't know of any resellers not listed, or major people
in
the UK that use ezpublish. I know verio's 
(www.verio.co.uk)
 virtual private server will support ezpublish by allowing you to edit
your
apache configuration. I know they have a data center in germany, but I
don't know about the UK. Any regular host you use in the UK that 
provides a virtual private server and the ability to edit your apache
configuration can run ezpublish great, if they just give you the 
ability to edit .htaccess files, it will run ok.

ezPublish supports a pretty broad array of customization. They call it
a 3 step flow, you put out navigation, your content, and more 
navigation. The standard 3 column layout you see on alot of websites.
You could eliminate one of the columns if you need to. The 
customization guide is pretty good.
http://doc.ez.no/article/archive/5/
I think when 3.0 comes out they will have alot more features for
easily
developing a design. They're pretty quiet about what features they're
working on though."

So, there you go. I hope this helps you out.

Nenna-GA

Clarification of Answer by nenna-ga on 21 Oct 2002 19:06 PDT
Hello again 1234,

I'm just checking with you to see if you'd be willing to rate this
answer, so that I may know how well I helped you with your question.

Thanks,
Nenna-GA

Request for Answer Clarification by onetwothreefour-ga on 22 Oct 2002 16:45 PDT
I am not sure howe well you have answered my question to be honest. My
gut feeling is not too good - but I am thinking and I am pondering how
to proceed on this. In the meantime i have done my own research and
found several sources that give me a comparison of several products-
more breadth but not a huge amount of depth. I feel like you spoke to
a friend who raved about one product and that was that.
I need to sleep on this really but am not inclined to progress this
further through google answers at the moment because of time invested
not getting me the level of answer i want.
I could spell out more what i want but I am not sure that for you it
is worth spending time given the fee.
Let me sleep on this and i'll get back to you sometime.

Clarification of Answer by nenna-ga on 27 Oct 2002 13:08 PST
Hi,
     So, are we settled then?

Nenna
onetwothreefour-ga rated this answer:3 out of 5 stars
thanks

Comments  
Subject: Re: best content management system for site for free or under $500 or phpnuke
From: robertskelton-ga on 11 Oct 2002 16:13 PDT
 
I prefer PostNuke
http://www.postnuke.com/

I'm not sure if it can accept document files in news stories, but it
does everything else on your list (and is free).
Subject: Re: best content management system for site for free or under $500 or phpnuke
From: onetwothreefour-ga on 16 Oct 2002 16:24 PDT
 
here is an interesting poll mentioning several of these - this helps
towards the answer - but i guess it doesn't count if i found it myself
!
sorry i got impatient

http://www.aquanuke.co.uk/NS-Polls-results-11.html

also , i don't agree that the fact that something is "free" software
makes it cost free - time and technical knowledge to install make the
whole thing costly plus the hosting costs . The usability of the
system from an installation viewpoint and a user viewpoint is
therefore a key consideration .
Subject: Re: best content management system for site for free or under $500 or phpnuke
From: nenna-ga on 24 Oct 2002 07:57 PDT
 
I have asked the editors to remove my answer from this question, on
the grounds that I feel the work I did more than met the critera, but
it was not acceptable to you, so we'll let someone else have a shot at
it. This is easier than a bad rating, or a refund.

Nenna-GA
Subject: Re: best content management system for site for free or under $500 or phpnuke
From: onetwothreefour-ga on 24 Oct 2002 08:25 PDT
 
Dear Nanna
Well, reading my question summary again now, it is true that you have
not answered those questions. However, i feel like it is quite hard to
find the answer to this and you did give some very useful information
on one product. I was looking for depth and breadth of info - which is
hard to find
but also links to cms comparison sites - of which a few exist and i
found quite easily when i resorted to researching this myself.
So part good part not so good - so i would probably rate you a three
on this if you wanted me to rate you.
As for refund - i expect someone for $20 to work on this for one or
two hours but you don't get the whole $20 of course and it takes time
to type stuff up so lets say one hour of actual research. You probably
have spent one hour talking to your friend and typing up and looking a
bit on the net so, although i am not satisfied i would feel harsh in
seeking a refund as you probably spent the time i expected maybe alot
more (albeit that i felt it was time not going in the right answer
direction)
So i would not have sought a refund here.
Let me know what happens next
1234
Subject: Re: best content management system for site for free or under $500 or phpnuke
From: nenna-ga on 24 Oct 2002 14:52 PDT
 
Ok, I'll go with the rating them. I see your point, and I understand
that you see mine, so I can agree with that then.

Nenna-GA
Subject: Re: best content management system for site for free or under $500 or phpnuke
From: alexpsu-ga on 31 Oct 2002 08:34 PST
 
I use postnuke for my website and find it to be an excellent program.
Check out how I implemented it at http://www.ylift.com

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