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Making Ice Cream...How do I make it really creamy, like Cold Stone???
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: williamstern-ga List Price: $25.00 |
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10 Aug 2006 16:47 PDT
Expires: 09 Sep 2006 16:47 PDT Question ID: 754814 |
This is the second time asking the question...I purchased a Kitchen Aid attachment to the mixer...And the ice cream is icey....So I am looking for a solution...I realize now that freezing it quickly helps...But there are other factors...Such as scalding the milk before hand that I don't understand...Why would heating the milk before freezing it prevent ice crystals??? Does less fat make it creamy or more creamier...How about sugar or egg yolks or corn starch???Please search the other answer under williamstern ice cream and comments so you can add to the disscusion, instead of simply reposting... |
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Re: Making Ice Cream...How do I make it really creamy, like Cold Stone???
From: czh-ga on 10 Aug 2006 16:51 PDT |
Researchers -- see prior question. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=754405 |
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Re: Making Ice Cream...How do I make it really creamy, like Cold Stone???
From: hummer-ga on 10 Aug 2006 18:39 PDT |
Hi williamstern, Here are a few thoughts from someone who has made ice cream back in the days when we used real ice to freeze it, to today using a Donvier (I love my Donvier!). I've consulted my two books ("Old Uncle Gaylord's Ice Cream Book" and "Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream Dessert Book") and here is what I can tell you. 1. I realize now that freezing it quickly helps Yes, plus it is better to take it out of the ice cream freezer as soon as it is ready and store it in a plastic container with a tight fitting lid (if there is any left!). If you store some, bring it out of the freezer a bit early to allow the ice crystals to melt a bit (about 15 min) before eating it. From Ben & Jerry's book: "No matter how you freeze your ice cream, there will always be ice crystals in it. The idea is to make them so small that they will not be detectable on the tongue. The faster you freeze your mix, the smaller the ice crystals will be and the smoother and creamier the ice cream will taste." 2. Why would heating the milk before freezing it prevent ice crystals? Haven't a clue except perhaps heating it evaporates some of the water out of the milk. 3. Does less fat make it creamy or more creamier The higher the butterfat the creamier the ice cream will be. 10% is ok if you are going to eat it right away, but for storage it should be at least 15% (for every quart of half and half you use, add a half pint of whipping cream). 4. How about sugar Pure Cane Sugar or Dark Brown Cane Sugar or Honey is best. 5. egg yolks Eggs are the stabilizer which hold it all together (like meat loaf!). You should use one egg for every two guarts of finished ice cream. Use both yolk and whites and whip them well with the sugar before adding them to the cream. 6. corn starch Yes, any kind of "powder-like" substance will help. You can even add some dry milk powder or soy milk powder to soak up some of the water and I like to add cocoa powder. I don't fuss much anymore and now I mostly make ice milk (needs cocoa or milk powder) or frozen yogourt. Actually, if you like yogourt, you may find it easier to make (it already is naturally thick and is less likely to ice up). Just add alittle sugar and a little extra flavoring, no eggs are necessary. I think making ice cream is one of those things that you just have to get a "feel" for (sort of like making butter). Just keep making it, adjusting as you go, and you 'will' succeed. I hope this helps! hummer |
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Re: Making Ice Cream...How do I make it really creamy, like Cold Stone???
From: elids-ga on 10 Aug 2006 18:57 PDT |
Why water freezes faster after heating * 03 June 2006 * NewScientist.com news service * Marcus Chown A common chemical process may explain a bizarre property of water that has been a mystery since the time of Aristotle - how hot water can freeze more quickly than cold. This strange and counter-intuitive effect was first observed by the ancient Greek philosopher and was made famous in recent times by a Tanzanian school student called Erasto Mpemba. He noticed that the sugared milk he was using to make ice cream froze more quickly if it started out hot. But what is behind the so-called "Mpemba effect"? According to Jonathan Katz of the Washington University in St Louis, it's all to do with solutes. "You have to ask yourself: what does heating do to water that makes it easier to freeze?" he says. "The answer is that it precipitates out solutes." The solutes Katz has in mind are calcium and magnesium bicarbonate, which make most drinking water "hard". When the water is heated, these precipitate out to form the solid scale that "furs" up the inside of a kettle. Water that has never been heated still contains these solutes. As it freezes, ice crystals form, and the concentration of solutes in the remaining water becomes ever higher - up to 50 times as high as normal. This lowers the freezing point of the water, just like salt sprinkled on a road in winter. "The water therefore has to cool further before it freezes," says Katz. There is a second, related effect that hampers the freezing of water that has never been heated. The lowering of the freezing point reduces the temperature difference between the liquid and its freezing surroundings. "Since the rate at which heat is lost from the water depends on this temperature difference, water that has not been heated has greater difficulty losing heat," Katz says. Katz claims that the two effects combined can perfectly explain why water that has been heated freezes more quickly than water that hasn't. And he makes a prediction that experiments should be able to verify: that the Mpemba effect should be more marked the "harder" the water. "This may explain why not everyone sees it," he says. "Some people are using soft water." "Katz's analysis of the Mpemba effect is deeper and more rigorous than anything else on the subject," says Richard Muller of the University of California at Berkeley. "He has come up with a simple yet - I believe - correct way to look at a complex phenomenon." ?The effect was made famous by a school student who noticed that ice cream froze more quickly if it started out hot? Katz, who worked out the details of the Mpemba effect while adjudicating a student exam, is waiting for someone to do the experiment to test his theory. "It's not difficult but it's not trivial either," he says. "I think it would take a couple of months to do it right." From issue 2554 of New Scientist magazine, 03 June 2006, page 10 |
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Re: Making Ice Cream...How do I make it really creamy, like Cold Stone???
From: czh-ga on 10 Aug 2006 22:37 PDT |
I have to admit that I'm prejudiced and I don't like Cold Stone Creamery ice cream at all. I think the mouth feel is "plasticky" and it's way too sweet for my taste. If you look at the ingredient list you will see that the texture comes from a lot of emulsifiers and stabilizers and it is loaded with corn syrup. Your home made ice cream will never compare unless you load it up with similar ingredients. Yuck! Don't! Here is some information about what goes into their ice cream. http://cheese.joyousliving.com/LinkList.aspx Cold Stone Creamery Ice Cream, Yogurt, and Sorbet Ingredient Statements Example: FRENCH VANILLA ICE CREAM SWEET CREAM ICE CREAM (Cream, Nonfat Milk, Milk, Sugar, Corn Syrup, Guar Gum, Cellulose Gum, Carrageenan, Mono & Diglycerides, Polysorbate 80, and Annatto Extract), FLAVOR (Corn Syrup, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Egg Yolks, Sugar, Water, Natural Flavor, Sodium Benzoate and Potassium Sorbate (preservatives), Annatto and Turmeric Extracts (for color)) == http://web.mit.edu/johnston/www/things-i-hate/cold-stone-creamery.html stone cold grimmery why cold stone creamery sucks Let's take a look at the ingredients that make Cold Stone's ice cream base so special. Condensed Skim Milk A source of non-fat milk solids (aka "serum solids") used to maintain an ice cream-like texture despite high "overrun." Low-quality ice cream manufacturers introduce air into the ice cream to increase its volume. Frozen ice cream with 100% overrun (the maximum legal amount) has twice the volume of the original ingredients. Cold Stone does not declare its overrun, but you can take a guess since this one is high on the ingredients list. Corn Syrup A low-cost sweetener to reduce the need for sugar. Probably also used to depress the freezing point for "creamier" ice cream. Guar Gum Carageenan Freeze/thaw stabilizers used to retard the growth of ice crystals in shipping, during which the ice cream ("freshly made," according to the signs) is subjected to changes in temperature. Guar gum, a vegetable derivative, is non-digestible. Carageenan, an extract of red seaweed, also acts as a tasteless thickener. Cellulose Gum A non-digestible thickener/stabilizer. Mono- and Di-glycerides Polysorbate 80 Emulsifiers. In real ice cream, the emulsion is held together by the lecithin and protein from eggs. Since Cold Stone does not use eggs, they have to add these chemicals. Glycerides are produced from low-cost high-fat hydrogenated oils. Polysorbate 80 is derived from sorbitol and is also used as a chewing gum plasticizer. Annatto Extract Yellow colorant. Is ice cream supposed to be yellow? == http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-B00001-01c22DZ.html Cold Stone Creamery dessert: Ice Cream, French Vanilla == http://www.coldstonecreamery.com/images/news/REF006_050806_Nutrition_Info_IceCream_445.pdf Ice Cream Nutritional Information == http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2006-06-09-ice-cream-usat_x.htm Ice cream shops thaw sales with scoops of fun Cold Stone doesn't just sell sundaes and sorbet, it sells sizzle. "It's like Starbucks for kids," says George Carey, president of Just Kid, a consulting firm. Its most vital expansion ? of its list of flavors ? begins in its top secret test lab. R&D chief Ray Karam (aka Senior Tastemaster) spoon-feeds a reporter some French Toast ice cream ? part of a future line of breakfast flavors that also includes Cinnabon and Blueberry Muffin. Also in the works: Twinkie ice cream and Pop-Tart ice cream sandwiches. |
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Re: Making Ice Cream...How do I make it really creamy, like Cold Stone???
From: frankcorrao-ga on 13 Aug 2006 20:39 PDT |
In reference to czh's comment about stabilizers and emulsifiers, cooks illustrated seems to have a different opinion about them, surprisingly. They did a taste test of vanilla ice cream, 20 different kinds, in May. The winner of the test was Turkey Hill Vanilla Bean, which achieves its texture through stablizers and emulsifiers like carageenan. It beat out many all natural brands. Cook's Illustrated is also the force behind America's Test Kitchen and I respect their opinion of this stuff immensely given their rigorous, scientific approach. Unfortunately I can't give a link because the site is subscription based, but I think giving a quote is fair use: "So where did we come out? Turns out it is possible to pull one over on Mother Nature--and, when it comes to vanilla ice cream, some strategic engineering is actually a desirable thing. Our tasters liked both French-style ice creams with stabilizers and regular (yolkless) ice creams with stabilizers and emulsifiers" www.cooksillustrated.com |
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Re: Making Ice Cream...How do I make it really creamy, like Cold Stone???
From: frankcorrao-ga on 13 Aug 2006 20:40 PDT |
turns out the cooksillustrated article is free for the time being: http://www.cooksillustrated.com/tasting.asp?tastingid=388&bdc=4656&position=3&type=homepagefeature |
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Re: Making Ice Cream...How do I make it really creamy, like Cold Stone???
From: czh-ga on 13 Aug 2006 22:59 PDT |
frankcorrao-ga, That's a terrific article about the ice cream taste test. It clearly illustrates that more than just flavor goes into the ice cream eating experience and that what tastes and feel "just right" depends on individual preferences. I simply don't like the gummy mouth feel of Cold Stone and other similar ice creams. Clearly, lots of other people do. Thanks for the article. ~ czh ~ |
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Re: Making Ice Cream...How do I make it really creamy, like Cold Stone???
From: frankcorrao-ga on 14 Aug 2006 10:05 PDT |
Certaily czh, the gummy, ultrasmooth taste is not for everyone. But it looks like if that is consistency you're going for, you better break out your chemistry set :) or at least invest in some store bought stabilizers and emulsifiers. |
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Re: Making Ice Cream...How do I make it really creamy, like Cold Stone???
From: katanablues-ga on 22 Aug 2006 18:37 PDT |
Ice cream made with liquid nitrogen has a ultra smooth texture because of small ice crystals due to super rapid freezing. It's worth a try just for the novelty. http://www.dansherman.com/2004/05/liquid-nitrogen-ice-cream-maker.html has hints on where to get the liquid nitrogen. http://www.polsci.wvu.edu/Henry/Icecream/Icecream.html http://education.jlab.org/beamsactivity/other/ln2icecream/ln2icecream.pdf http://www.chymist.com/Liquid%20N2%20ice%20cream.pdf ://www.google.com/search?q=nitrogen+ice+cream |
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