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Subject: I before E
Category: Reference, Education and News
Asked by: frodo2366-ga
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Posted: 10 Aug 2006 19:34 PDT
Expires: 09 Sep 2006 19:34 PDT
Question ID: 754863

Write I before E
Except after C
Or when it sounds like an A
As in "neighbor" and "weigh" 

I've done my web research, so don't bother sending me to sites that
don't answer the question below. I've noticed that there seems to be
more exceptions than "the rule".

So: Can anyone prove or disprove this "rule"? i.e.(lol) are there more
words that follow this rule or is it just for common words? e.g. those
that a 12 year old would know.

Clarification of Question by frodo2366-ga on 10 Aug 2006 19:53 PDT
I'm not including "imported" words, just those that are by definition "English"

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Subject: Re: I before E
Answered By: pafalafa-ga on 10 Aug 2006 20:10 PDT
Rated: 1 out of 5 stars

frodo2366-ga, The Merriam-Webster 9th Collegiate Dictionary contains 4,979 i-before-e words (of which 332 violate the i-before-e rule), and 1,191 e-before-i words (of which, only 78 follow the 'i-before-e-except-after-c rule). Many of the e-before-i words do, in fact, have a long "A" sound to them, but many do not. Still, the bulk of the words have the i-before-e combination. So, i before e is the definite winner, but not by as much as one might suppose. Cheers, pafalafa-ga ================ source of word lists: http://www.puzzlers.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=solving:wordlists:dictionary_search_adv i-before-e words abbacies abilities abnormalities abortifacient absorbencies absorptivities abstrusities absurdities academies accessorieachiest achievab achieve achieved achievement achiever achieving acidified acidifier acidities acquiesce acquiesced acquiescence acquiescent acquiescently acquiescing acrimonies activities actualities actuaries acuities adequacies adieu adieus adieux adjacencies adulteries adversaries adversities advertencies advisories aerier aeriest affinities affluencies afield afterpiece agencies agentries aggrieve aggrieved aggrievedly aggrievement aggrieving agilities agonies agrimonies airfield airier airiest alibied alien alienability alienable alienage alienate alienation alienator alienee alienism alienist alienly alienness alienor alimonies alkalies allegories allergies allied allies allotropies altarpiece ambience 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xenogeneic xheight yankeeism zein zeist zeitgeber zeitgeist zweig 1191 items were returned. Let me know if there's anything more I can do for you. paf
Request for Answer Clarification by frodo2366-ga on 10 Aug 2006 20:31 PDT sorry, I should have mentioned I was only looking for "base" words. Not words that change thEIr basic spelling with a suffix. e.g. busy vs. busier. doesn't count for my purposes. i.e. words with "ie" or "ei" imbedded within the base word. "y" changing to "ies" for plurals shouldn't count.
Request for Answer Clarification by frodo2366-ga on 10 Aug 2006 20:39 PDT here's an example that counts, "being", cuz it is a standalone word (no suffix), see how this gets a bit complicated? ;-)
Request for Answer Clarification by frodo2366-ga on 10 Aug 2006 22:12 PDT what the heck is "walthervondervogelweide"?????
Request for Answer Clarification by frodo2366-ga on 10 Aug 2006 22:29 PDT I've narrowed the question to proper(?) words..... sorry, thot it was obvious to start with
Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 11 Aug 2006 05:17 PDT frodo2366-ga, There are different dictionaries available at the Puzzler's League search site that I linked you to earlier, and each dictionary handles their wordlists differently. Some include many more obscure words than others (like the one I chose for starters). Some include mostly what you are calling base words (though none are exclusively base words, from what I can tell). You should try searching them yourself to see which lists meet (or at least, come closest to) the type of list you're after. A period [ . ] is a wildcard at the search site, so a search on [ .ie. ] pulls up all 'ie' words, while a similar search on [ .ei. ] gets the 'ei' words. After you have a list that looks good, copy it into a text editor, and you can then easily count the occurences of, say, 'iest' if you want to back those words out of the total numbers (though you will catch some words like 'fiesta', even though it's not a superlative form of a base word...no technique is perfect, here]. For instance, a search on the Pocket Dictionary at the Puzzler's League produces 326 pretty mainstream ie words...these look to be like mostly 'base' words to me. The same dictionary produces only 138 ei words [both lists are below]. I'm not sure just what sort of precision you're after here. The overall pattern is quite clear...there are many more ie words than ei words, which seems to confirm the rule. Even backing out particular word forms isn't going to change much by and large...the ie list will still remain much larger than the ei list. I hope that's what you needed, but if we're not quite there yet, let me know what else I can do for you. This has been a most interesting question...I really enjoy playing with words. paf achieve acquiesce adieu afield aggrieve airfield alien alienable alienate alienist allied altarpiece ambience ambient ancient anxiety apiece applied archfiend archiepiscopal atelier audience backfield ballcarrier bandolier barrier battlefield befriend belief believe besiege biennial bier blitzkrieg bombardier boutonniere brassiere brazier brief briefcase brier candied caries carrier cashier cavalier centerpiece chandelier chesterfield chevalier chief chieftain chiffonier classified clavier client clientele clothier coalfield cockatiel coefficient collier colliery comedienne concierge congeries conscience conscientious contrariety convenience convenient countrified courier courtier crier crosier crosspiece croupier debrief deficient denier derriere diehard dielectric diet dietetics dignified disbelieve disobedience disquiet disquietude dossier drier dubiety ebullient efficient emollient emulsifier equestrienne espalier exequies expediency expedient experience experienced faience fancier farrier fief field fieldpiece fiend fierce fiery fiesta financier flied flier friedcake friend frieze frontier frontispiece furrier gaiety glacier glazier glockenspiel goldfield gondolier gradient grainfield grazier grenadier grief grievance grieve grievous hacienda handkerchief harrier headpiece hierarchy hieroglyphic hierophant hosiery hygiene impatience impatient impercipient impiety impropriety inalienable incipient inconvenience inconvenient inefficient inexperience infield ingredient inpatient inquietude insentient insufficient interview irretrievable jardiniere kerchief lavaliere lenient lied lief liege lien lieu lieutenant mantelpiece masterpiece materiel medieval messieurs metier mien milieu millieme misbeliever mischief mischievous moiety monsieur mouthpiece neckerchief neckpiece niece nosepiece nutrient obedient omniscient oriel orient oriental osier oubliette outfield outpatient pacifier pannier parietal patience patient percipient piebald piece piecemeal piecework pied pieplant pier pierce piety pimiento pliers portiere premier premiere preoccupied prescience preview priest proficient propertied proprietary proprietor propriety provenience prurient purlieu purview quiescent quiet quietude quietus quotient rabies rapier recipient relief relieve reprieve requiem resilient retrieve retriever review reviewer riel salient sapient satiety science sentient series serried shield shriek sidepiece siege sierra siesta sieve sobriety society soldier soldiery soviet spaniel species storied studied subservience sufficiency sufficient sundries sweetbrier teleview terrier thief thieve thievery tier timepiece tragedienne transient tried triennial unaccompanied unalienable unbelief unbelievable unbeliever unbodied undies unfriendly unoccupied unqualified unquiet unscientific unstudied untried unwieldy unyielding varied variegate varietal variety vernier view viewpoint vizier wield wiener willies windshield yield yielding zwieback ============================ absenteeism albeit apartheid atheist aweigh beige being caffeine casein ceiling codeine coheir conceit conceive counterfeit counterweight cruzeiro cuneiform deadweight deceit deceitful deceive deice deify deign deism deity edelweiss einsteinium enceinte farseeing featherweight feign feint foreign foreigner forfeit forfeiture freight geisha gesundheit gneiss heavyweight heifer height heighten heinous heir heiress heirloom heist herein howbeit hundredweight inveigh inveigle kaleidoscope leisure leitmotiv lightweight messeigneurs middleweight misconceive monotheism monseigneur mullein neigh neighbor neighborhood neighboring neighborly neither nonpareil obeisance outweigh overweigh pantheism paperweight peignoir pennyweight perceive pharmacopoeia plebeian poltergeist polytheism preconceive protein receipt receivable receive receiver receivership reign reimburse rein reincarnation reindeer reinforce reinstate reiterate reveille seigneur seine seismic seismograph seize sheik skein sleigh sleight sovereign sovereignty stein surfeit surveillance their theirs theism therein undeceive underweight unfeigned unveil veil veiling vein velleity vermeil villein weigh weight weightless weighty weir weird welterweight wherein zeitgeist
Request for Answer Clarification by frodo2366-ga on 14 Aug 2006 02:33 PDT Are you gonna try a better answer after clarifications or do you want me to rate you on what you have given me so far?
Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 14 Aug 2006 04:51 PDT frodo2366-ga, I responded to your clarification request with a revised answer on August 11. It wasn't clear from your latest comment as to whether you had seen the revised annswer or not. Please look it over, and if there's something more you'd like at this point, please let me know. Cheers, paf
Request for Answer Clarification by frodo2366-ga on 17 Aug 2006 02:29 PDT I'm not satisfied with this answer for many reasons see discusion....
Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 17 Aug 2006 05:33 PDT I'm sorry to hear you're not pleased with the information I've provided thus far, in which I've demonstrated that there are many more 'i before e" words than "e before i". I'd be glad to provide additional information, but I'm not quite sure where to go with this, or what you see as the shortcomings here. Can you clarify what else you would like to have at this point? With a bit more feedback, perhaps I can get you just what you need. paf
Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 17 Aug 2006 07:38 PDT frodo2366-ga, Here's another way to look at things...perhaps this will be more useful for you. The list below is more than 1,500 of the most common words in English...words that most middle school kids would be familiar with. Of these, there are 31 i-before-e words. There are only 7 e-before-i words on the list: either foreign neighbor neither receive their weight Of these seven, four seem to meet the rule (that is, the combination comes after 'c', or sounds like a long 'A'), and three do not. 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frodo2366-ga rated this answer: 1 out of 5 stars

The original answer was full of holes, and no "clarifications" went anywhere

Comments

Subject: Re: I before E
From: amoobangkok-ga on 10 Aug 2006 23:58 PDT

"Being" is not a base word.
"Be" is the base word and "ing" is the suffix.

All the combined words should be removed from the list too... eg "weightlifter".
The word "weight" should only appear once.

Subject: Re: I before E
From: kemlo-ga on 11 Aug 2006 01:17 PDT

and these are just carelessness   saintlawrenceislandsnationalpark   
dumfriesandgalloway
  
propertydamageinsurance     neitherfishnorfowl     neitherherenorthere
     quiscustodietipsoscustodes

masterchiefpettyofficerofthecoastguard


and lots lots more,  Frodo I think you should ask for a better answer

KEMLO

Subject: Re: I before E
From: myoarin-ga on 11 Aug 2006 01:44 PDT

Frodo,
I agree with your clarifications, thinking much the same as I scrolled
down the list: plurals with ...ies, all the words like reinvest, words
ending with the dyphthong ...ier, and so on.  But on a $5 question,
Researchers don't shift to their mind-reading mode when writing
answers.

Nonetheless, I think Paf's statistics would still be correct, and I
also think that you are on the right track:  the rule is useful for
young spellers dealing with ei/ie words that are most freguently used:
 relief vs receive, etc.
The rule seems to be fairly valid for these cases.

("Young spellers"?  I use it all the time, when my fingers type
something wrong.   Well, most of the time.)

Oh, Waltervondervogelweide,  like many of the runtogether words on the
list, looks like it was picked up from a website name.
Walter von der Vogelweide was a medieval German poet.  German settles
this question with a strict rule:  ei is pronounced with a long I; ie,
with a long E, so if one pronounces correctly, one can spell
correctly.
That doesn't help with imported English words, such as "reinvest".

Cheers, Myoarin

Subject: Re: I before E
From: frodo2366-ga on 11 Aug 2006 03:59 PDT

according to Webster's "being" is a "base" word, having said that "be"
is also a word as well as a very complex prefix (see dictionary of
your choice)

Subject: Re: I before E
From: myoarin-ga on 11 Aug 2006 04:21 PDT

The E and I in "being" are pronounced separately, a diphthong (correct
spelling), so the word doesn't fall under the rule, which we know is
not absolute.

Subject: Re: I before E
From: fp-ga on 17 Aug 2006 03:53 PDT

A Wikipedia article discussing the differences between the British
("when the sound is ee") and the American version of this spelling
rule:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_e_except_after_c

Subject: Re: I before E
From: myoarin-ga on 23 Aug 2006 05:37 PDT

Good try, Paf.  Sorry about the one star.
Seems to me that the question got out of hand, lost the target of "i
before e, except after c", which has a limited validity, but this gets
completely lost when one looks at all the "ei" and "ie" words on which
the rule has no bearing, e.g., plural forms, diphthongs and foreign
language-based words.

Cheers, Myo

Subject: Re: I before E
From: jodyyy-ga on 14 Sep 2006 17:39 PDT

I recall quite clearly my schoolteachers answering me about this very
same ?I before E? rule

First, the rule is for children.  Adults should either know whether
any word is an exception or not or else look the word up in a
dictionary.  Today we have spellcheckers, so the question is purely
academic.  Secondly my teachers said that the rule works about 70
percent of the time and it only applies to words where the ?ie? or
?ie? is pronounced, ?ee?.  The ??neighbor? and "?weigh?" are just
examples of words not pronounced, ?ee.?  Anything else that is not
pronounced ?ee? is also excluded from the rule.  Of course, it is also
correct that the rule does not apply to diphthongs where the letters
are pronounces separately,

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