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Subject: non-racist word(s) for white pride
Category: Relationships and Society > Cultures
Asked by: skapunk60-ga
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Posted: 22 Aug 2006 22:50 PDT
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Question ID: 758633
What is real white pride called?
I say 'real' because 'white pride' generally refers to racist
attitude, for example, the KKK claim to have white pride, yet they
dismiss every race that is not white- this is not what I am trying to
describe.. there are also anti-racist groups such as the Sharps, this
is also not what I am attempting to describe.
I would like to know how a caucasian would describe their attitude
toward themselves in a positive, un-racist light. African Americans
have strong names to describe pride of their race such as Black Pride
and Black Power (political affilation is a major side of these names,
un-ironically due to the racist designation of "white pride")

Wikipedia states [for white pride]:
"The term white pride is used primarily in the United States to denote
a celebration of the heritage of persons of "White-European" racial

 "The term is highly controversial, as many believe it implies racism;
indeed, it was coined and is used as a slogan by a number of white
supremacist organizations."

My Question:
What is the real word(s) for describing white pride? the word(s) that
describe a non-racist affiliated pride for being white?

There is no answer at this time.

Subject: Re: non-racist word(s) for white pride
From: intuitivebodyworker-ga on 23 Aug 2006 01:14 PDT
Pride is devisive and therefore covertly violent.  A sense of one's
own dignity, self-regard or self-respect might more acurately describe
what you are refering to without stirring up negative associations. 
Notice that the latter terms do not seperate youself from others by
making you somehow better.  In other words these other terms or
Subject: Re: non-racist word(s) for white pride
From: myoarin-ga on 23 Aug 2006 04:18 PDT
I agree with the above, but such terms could IMHO only be understood
as "white pride" within a context that allowed them to be recognized
as euphemisms  - at least to insiders -  but probably to outsiders
with a a critical ear, who might even imply racist content when none
was intended.
I feel that any time a race or color is mentioned with a qualifier,
the expression does have racial overtones.  Most of the white majority
does not take offense at Black Pride because:
1) being the majority, it doesn't seem a threat to our position;
2) we recognize that Blacks have been disadvantaged and accept their
right to pride  (as long as point 1 holds true).
Subject: Re: non-racist word(s) for white pride
From: keystroke-ga on 23 Aug 2006 05:13 PDT
It also depends on who you are talking about taking offence against
the words. IS the word honkey racist? To some white people yes, to
others no.

It is not generally ok for a white person to call a black person a
nigger, yet it is an informal greeting that African Americans /
African British give each other in the form of "yo nigger how's it
hanging" or other connotations along the same lines.

If a friend called me a honkey or a nigger I do not feel I would be so
bothered, yet if a random person, in a threatening tone called me a
honkey or a nigger I may be offended regardless.

What I am trying to say is that although "honkey power" might be ok
for some, others may see it as racist. I don't think you will ever
reach a unanymous single term that can show white pride without any
sort of racial undertone being noted by at least one person.

A study showed that in the UK that if a group of Asians created a
group that was for the Asian society of an area only this was a way
for them to talk to each other and keep their faiths, beliefs and way
of life constant and in tune with other people of the same ilk.

If a group of people created a group for British or white people only
this group would immediately be tarnished with a racist brush for not
allowing the ethnic minorities to join in the group.

Even though both sets of people were doing exactly the same the white
British group would not be allowed to exist because it was racist and
the Asian group would be allowed as it was enforcing their heritage.

Subject: Re: non-racist word(s) for white pride
From: elids-ga on 23 Aug 2006 08:25 PDT
?Even though both sets of people were doing exactly the same the white
British group would not be allowed to exist because it was racist and
the Asian group would be allowed as it was enforcing their heritage.?

While I don?t disagree with what?s stated, as is, the statement in of
itself is misleading, because it attempts to portray an inequality in
the treatment of two ethnic groups, that is not the case. These groups
and everything in the world co-exist within a historical environment
and current condition/social status. From a historical point of view
as whites we have presumed ourselves to be members of the ?superior?
race, we?ve enslaved blacks (Northern African black and Arabs also
enslaved whites for a couple of centuries but eventually  Europeans
put an end to that), Asians and Native Americans, we?ve enslaved even
whites that had a different (read presumed inferior) culture or
religion. Given the historical treatment the white race has given
other races, we willingly put limits on our abilities to allow
ourselves to embark in that route again.

These limitations exist because (as luck [or firepower] would have it)
although the white race does not control the world, it does dominate

A statement such as ?white pride? is by definition an oxymoron, groups
of people that have a subservient position (be that races or others),
need rallying chants in order to assert themselves, that?s why ?Black
Power? and others of the like exist. If members of the dominant race
feel the need to create these rallying chants, is because of an innate
feeling or tacit knowledge of the ephemeral nature of that position.
Subject: Re: non-racist word(s) for white pride
From: hedgie-ga on 23 Aug 2006 11:08 PDT
" pride for being white? "   if not also racist, it is certainly silly.

 There is nothing to be proud of (or ashamed of) when it comes to color
 of one's skin.

 You can say that you appreciate cultural heritage of your European ancestors,
 but it much more respectable to find your own accomplishments to be proud of,
 rather then incidence of certain genes - be it color of eyes, skin, or hair.
Subject: Re: non-racist word(s) for white pride
From: pinkfreud-ga on 23 Aug 2006 11:18 PDT
I take pride in my own achievements. My racial/ethnic background isn't
an achievement. It's just a fact. Although I have an interest in the
cultural aspects of my ancestors, I can't see any reason to feel
pride, or shame, or any other personal emotion in connection with
something over which I have had no choice nor control.
Subject: Re: non-racist word(s) for white pride
From: irishhoney-ga on 19 Oct 2006 07:33 PDT
I just want to make one thing clear. Nigger and Nigga are two
different things! When it comes to the African American community they
call each other Niggas its a term like homie on the west coast or cuz
or dog or b. It is a greeting. Nigger is still a racist term.
Subject: Re: non-racist word(s) for white pride
From: bezoarstar-ga on 21 Nov 2006 20:33 PST
understanding and appreciating the specific european heritage of white
people is one way that white people can start to understand that they
themselves are not the standard, that they have a particular place and
culture that they abandoned in some way to fit into america, that at
one time they might not have been wanted here in the usa, or may not
even have been considered "white" for example if they were italian or
greek. white people who understand and respect their own heritage can
be white people who respect others heritage as well. white people need
to understand their own fears and hatreds, and to know themselves and
their cultures ways very well if they hope to avoid the terrible
mistakes of the past.

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