Our community college would like to offer some classes or courses to
enable workers to earn required periodic recertification or continuing
education credits. How can we obtain an authoritative, comprehensive
master list of all professions, fields, and jobs in USA that require periodic
recewrtification and/or continuing education credits? The list should
include not only the name of the job or field, but name and address of
authority that grants necessary recert or accredits CE, and how often
recert is required or how many CE credits must be obtained per year or
other interval. Note: We are NOT seeking courses or credits to acquire
a NEW job or certificate--we only want to keep people up to date as
required for continuing recertification in their existing job or field or
profession. |
Request for Question Clarification by
cynthia-ga
on
24 Aug 2006 12:32 PDT
Different states have different requirements for the same vocation.
Which state are you in?
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Clarification of Question by
huntingprof-ga
on
24 Aug 2006 14:05 PDT
We know all states differ somewhat for those jobs they license or
regulate.. So, for state-specific recertifications or CE
requirements, give us New York or California, as a surrogate for all
states (We know they tend to be toughest) However, many other
certifications or CE requirements ate ORGANIZATION-based , and thus
national and NOT state-specific (ex, Amer Institute of Architects,
American Board of Cardiac Surgery, etc). We know this is a tough
request, but we need both "state-based" for those jobs that have
state-based requirements (e.g. beautician), and we need
organization/society requirements for those jobs that must fulfill
national requirements. and "organization-based" requirements--even if
there are no state requirements (e.g. Golf Course Maintenance
Association, assuming there is such).
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Request for Question Clarification by
czh-ga
on
25 Aug 2006 20:46 PDT
Hello huntingprof-ga,
I have been working on your question and I?m wondering if the approach
you?re taking in this question (if doable at all) will get you the
information you need to make the best decisions about what continuing
education programs you should offer for professionals who need credits
for license maintenance and renewal.
I have located some lists that give the licensed professions for each
state. Some states have many licensed professions while others have
very few. Where you are located will have some bearing on whether you
need information about ALL licensed professions. It seems to me, you
really need the best prospect list to reach licensed professionals who
might attend your programs so you need information about professions
that require licensing and mandatory continuing education in the
geographic area you serve. It really doesn?t matter if there is a huge
pool of other licensed professional in other geographic areas.
Finding certification, licensing and continuing education requirements
by professional boards and certification agencies is an even bigger
challenge. Some professions require certification by professional
bodies even if there is no governmental licensing requirement. Some
professions have several organizations that are available and one
organization may be more popular than another in geographic regions.
Again, knowing the professional demographics of your school?s targeted
service area would help to focus on identifying organizations whose
needs would dovetail with your offerings.
My preliminary search convinces me that completing the research to
answer your question as you?ve posed it would take much more effort
than is appropriate for the price of your question. It may even be
impossible since there are no comprehensive lists and directories that
provide national coverage for state licensing requirements and
nation-wide organizational needs for continuing education credits.
So. I?m stumped as to how to proceed. It seems to me a more targeted
and narrowly focused search for your geographic target area would be a
more doable project. I look forward to your clarification.
~ czh ~
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Clarification of Question by
huntingprof-ga
on
26 Aug 2006 07:15 PDT
We appreciate your interest in our question, and in you preliminary
work and deep thought. However, most of you "Clarification Request"
is really not seeking "clarification, but instead seems to be telling
us how difficult the project is and why you favor us our pinpointing
just one state. We feel the target audience is a marketing decision,
and is not what we are asking about right now. (We're sure you've
heard of online courses to reach students not in one's own state, so
we feel it is relevant to know what's required for all jobs, fields,
and professions in all states.) Also requirements-not state
based--for orgs and societies that are national and whose field states
don't even license. Possibly you are helping us to at least learn the
"status quo" if your assertion is true that their is no directory we
could buy or metasite on Web we could consult. While we appreciate
your effort so far, we do not feel you have come anywhere near
answering our question in a positive sense. If you can only answer it
in a neg sense, at least "beef up" your assurance--with evidence of
"sources checked" that no directory or Web site exists--to try to
convince us to abandon our quest. Again, thanks for your interest.
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Request for Question Clarification by
czh-ga
on
26 Aug 2006 09:11 PDT
Dear huntingprof-ga,
I've spent several hours researching your question and have come to
the conclusion that to provide you with the information you seek in
the format you've requested will require much more effort than is
reasonable at the price you've posted. I hope that another researcher
will find what I could not and can provide you with what you seek.
I am familiar with online instruction, licensed professions and
professional membership organizations that require continuing
education. I suggested taking a different approach based on my
familiarity with the landscape.
Wishing you well for your project.
~ czh ~
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Request for Question Clarification by
czh-ga
on
26 Aug 2006 10:22 PDT
Hello again huntingprof-ga,
Here is some additional information to help you understand my
reasoning for trying to dissuade you from the approach you?ve chosen.
The scope of the project you?ve defined is enormous. You want a ?list
of ALL professions, fields, and jobs? that require recertification.
Researchers are frequently reluctant to take on any project that
requires ALL of anything since you can never be sure you got ALL and
customers have rejected excellent answers because the researcher
failed to get ALL. In your project, the scope of ALL is hundreds, if
not thousands, of jobs.
Further, you?ve asked for multiple pieces of research for each job:
-- name of the job or field
-- name and address of authority that grants necessary recert or accredits CE
-- how often recert is required
-- how many CE credits must be obtained per year or other interval.
It would be nice if someone had already collected this information and
you could simply buy a database or download a spreadsheet.
Unfortunately this is not the case and each job will have to be
researched separately. Some jobs/professions have several accrediting
or certifying organizations with varying requirements. The effort
required to gather this information would require enormous time and
effort.
Have you taken a look at the IACET?s website? Their list is by no
means comprehensive but it gives you a starting point for looking at
organizations that grant CEUs. It also gives you a glimpse of your
competition. There are hundreds of CEU providers and it will be
challenging to rise above the noise and crowd.
http://www.iacet.org/awarding/faq.htm
International Association for Continuing Education Training (IACET)
The difficulties with covering ALL ?organization-based? CEU
requirements are enormous. You might expect that finding ALL the
information for ?state-based? licensed professions would be easier.
Unfortunately, there is no database or comprehensive list for these
either. The Dataland list below is the best I?ve found so far but a
quick review shows that it is not accurate and reliable for all states
and all jobs.
http://dataland.com/subscribrs/Prof_Lics_by%20State.htm
Professional Licenses By State
There is tremendous variety among the states and with many of them
it?s difficult to get the list of licensed professions and their CEU
requirements. I found that Connecticut has a good website for finding
out about licensure, CEUs and CEU providers. They list 17 professions
requiring continuing education for license/certificate renewal. You
have to click through to the requirements page for each profession to
find out how many units are required on what schedule. They vary
greatly. You can review the list of providers (dozens) to find out the
names of the professional organizations that provide CEUs for the
Connecticut licensed professions.
http://www.dph.state.ct.us/Licensure/apps/ceu.htm
Connecticut
http://www.state.ct.us/sde/DTL/cert/ceuprlst.htm
LIST OF APPROVED CEU PROVIDERS
As you can see, just describing the challenges of your project is time
consuming. I suggest that you cut down your project to a more
manageable size. As a beginning, you might try focusing on one
profession. You may want to choose one for which your school already
has a well established and respected program. Post a new question
asking for the information about CEUs only for that profession and
evaluate the results. Then decide which other professions you would
like information about.
Good luck in entering this extremely competitive and cluttered field.
~ czh ~
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Clarification of Question by
huntingprof-ga
on
26 Aug 2006 11:18 PDT
Dear CZH: We appreciate the warmth and sincereity you have displayed
as you ponder our quest, and your feedback to date. One small prelim
comment: don't get hung up on the fact we request "all". We think
most educators and businesspeople inherently understand that when one
asks for "all" that does not mean literally every last one, without
the tiniest exception. For most uses, 90% detection would give a
rough enough sampling; perhaps even 80%.
We are tilting toward declaring you have "answered" our query.
However, the nub of our hesitancy is contained well in your own words:
"It would be nice if someone had already collected this information
and you could simply buy a database or download a spreadsheet.
Unfortunately that is not the case."
How certain are you that the requisite directory, in print or
digital format, does not exist--as you ASSERT it does not. In some
other fields highly complex compendia of "all" or "almost all" of a
thing do exist. 3 examples: Gale Encyclopedia of Associations.
Lovejoy's College Guide. The Physicians Desk Reference (PDR) for
Prescription Drugs.
Please give us some level of reassurance that you have not missed
any readily available compendium for CE, and we shall declare to
Google you have "answered the question". (But we would be very
red-faced if next week somebody told us there was such a compendium
for CE; I'm sure you would understand). Looking forward to your
response.
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Request for Question Clarification by
cynthia-ga
on
26 Aug 2006 11:45 PDT
How close is this?
From their press release:
..."New Online Directory Guides Learners to Continuing and Professional
Education Programs
PRESS RELEASE: http://www.ucea.edu/pages/uceadirect.pdf
CHESTER, PA, January 5 - The nation?s premier continuing and
professional education organization and the leading provider of higher
education online directories have collaborated to create
UCEAdirectory.org (http://www.UCEAdirectory.org), the only online
directory of certificate and degree programs offered by regionally
accredited colleges and universities.
UCEAdirectory.org, created by the University Continuing Education
Association (UCEA) and Educational Directories Unlimited, Inc. (EDU),
will provide the more than 17 million adults pursuing higher education
with a comprehensive directory of programs offered by UCEA members ? a
select group of regionally accredited institutions.
These institutions offer an array of associate, baccalaureate,
graduate and certificate programs, whether on-campus, off-campus, or
online. The directory will help prospective students find the programs
that best fit their education and career goals..."
Web Site Home Page:
http://www.ucea.edu/
It doesn't seem like it's exactly what you want, but I'd like to hear your remarks.
~~Cynthia
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Request for Question Clarification by
cynthia-ga
on
26 Aug 2006 11:49 PDT
BTW, the search string to this is:
"continuing education" national database
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Request for Question Clarification by
czh-ga
on
26 Aug 2006 13:07 PDT
Hello again huntingprof-ga,
Are you interested in providing courses for credit (like the ones
shown in the directory listed by Cynthia-ga) or CEUs ? which are by
definition non-credit continuing education experiences? Thanks.
~ czh ~
http://www.iacet.org/documents/online_c&g/section2/index.htm
Continuing Education Units (CEU)
Definition
One CEU = ten contact hours of participation in organized continuing
education/training experience under responsible, qualified direction
and instruction.
Ownership and use of the CEU
The International Association for Continuing Education and Training
(IACET) is the caretaker of the CEU. IACET assumes responsibility for
refining and disseminating information about the CEU. Through its
programs, publications, research, and technical assistance, the
Association assists organizations in correctly utilizing the criteria.
The CEU is in the public domain. Use of the CEU is voluntary and no
permission or approval is required. The decision to award the CEU is
made by the provider and should be based on a thorough review of the
provider's capabilities in meeting the IACET CEU criteria.
Any organization can offer the traditional CEU. Unfortunately, there
are organizations which award the CEU which do not adhere to the
standards developed by the IACET. This has led to consumer
misunderstanding and distrust of the value of the CEU. Therefore,
IACET has taken steps to ensure the credibility of the IACET CEU.
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Clarification of Question by
huntingprof-ga
on
26 Aug 2006 13:41 PDT
Dear CZH and Cynthia: As CZH points out, Cynthia has fallen into the
trap of supplying info we don't want. Please re-read our initial
submission, and you will see we specifically say we are not interested
in courses or facilities which enable adults to "continue" their
educatiuon by masteringa new job or profession. But that is what
Cynthia has supplied. We appreciate ytour effort, Cynthia, but you are
on the wrong track. Suggest CZH take it from here.
CZH: In one of your previous comments you described IACEY and their
website. Per your suggestion, we looked at it. It is a little helpful.
There is no need for you to quote from it, as we have seen it.
So, CZH, please review our near-last post, wherein we give examples of
compendia of other types of info, and we ask how sure are you, beyond
mere "assertion", that a directory (print or digital) of CE does not
exist. If you can offer some assurance on this point, we can declare
our query "answered. Thanks.
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Request for Question Clarification by
czh-ga
on
26 Aug 2006 15:22 PDT
Hi huntingprof-ga,
Thank you for sharing your concerns and defining even more clearly
what you?re looking for. I?m afraid the information you need is not
available in an easily searched and categorized format. I?m familiar
with the field so I thought a quick search would result in coming up
with some useful directories or lists. Continuing education and the
certification and recertification businesses are a huge industry with
lots of players wanting to get a piece of the action. I have spent
hours on your question and I?m quite sure that no one has developed an
easy to use and authoritative directory of state and/or organization
level licensing and certification CEU requirements.
Here are the best resources I?ve come up with and the pros and cons of each.
The Licensed Occupation Tool from America's Career InfoNet can be
searched by occupation, agency or keyword. Use this tool to look for
licensing, certification and recertification information for
professions you?re familiar with to get a sense of the type of
information that?s available and how it is organized. This directory
is big but you have to access information one record at a time with
many layers of successive clicks. It would be helpful for developing
CEU requirements for a limited number of professions or job titles.
http://www.acinet.org/acinet/licensedoccupations/lois_state.asp?by=occ&nodeid=16
Use the Licensed Occupations tool to find contact information about
licenses for career in your state. States provide this data, therefore
ACINet cannot guarantee that this information is comprehensive or
accurate. Contact the license agency to verify any information
provided here. Start your search by selecting a tab option below.
Follow the instructions on each page to get your results.
The Certification Guide from Procertis, Inc. claims to have close to
3000 national certifications in its database. You can browse for
certifications according to categories that are matched to the ONET
system or you can search by keyword, role or abbreviation. You have to
click through several layers to get to the individual certifying
organizations and then you have to review the organization?s website
for the CEU requirements.
http://www.certificationguide.com/v2/aboutus.php
CertificationGuide is produced by Procertis, Inc. in Austin, Texas.
All certification and licensure programs independently reviewed. No
program pays for placement, listing, or appearance. No advertising or
other fees accepted from any organization directly responsible for any
certification or licensure program.
http://www.certificationguide.com/v2/
Currently indexing 2852 national certifications. Certifications are
organized by occupational codes defined by the National Occupational
Information Network.
The Council on Licensure, Enforcement and Regulation also provides
collections of CEU requiring organizations. A quick review shows that
these links are not comprehensive. There is no database of information
and you have to click through to the individual organizations to get
the information you?re looking for.
http://www.clearhq.org/default.htm
The Council on Licensure, Enforcement and Regulation (CLEAR) is the
premier international resource for professional regulation
stakeholders.
http://www.clearhq.org/links.htm
North American Resources
-- Directory of Regulatory Boards and Colleges
-- Associations of Regulatory Boards
-- Professional Associations
-- Other Useful Links
This link provides a good description of occupational licensing and
certification and explains why it is so difficult to develop a
directory that would meet your needs.
http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/encyclopedia/Kor-Man/Licensing-and-Certification-Occupational.html
In the United States, occupational licensing and certification is
largely a function of state government. There are literally hundreds
of occupations and professions that are regulated in one form or
another, but not every state regulates every occupation. Licensing
requirements for the same occupation or profession often vary from
state to state. Individuals licensed for an occupation in one state
may not qualify for licensure in another.
There are essentially three levels of state regulation of occupations
and professions: licensing, certification, and registration. While
these terms are used interchangeably on occasion and definitions are
not strictly adhered to, it is useful at least to recognize the three
levels of occupational regulation.
These two directories from Gale Group cover the topic but they?re both
extremely out of date. The Riley Guide page provides a collection of
resources that might help you compile what you need.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0787628433/104-5889348-4847959?v=glance&n=283155
Certification and Accreditation Programs Directory: A Descriptive
Guide to National Voluntary Certification and Accreditation Programs
for Professionals ... and Accreditation Programs, Publisher: Gale
Group (September 1998)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0810390507/sr=1-1/qid=1156629750/ref=sr_1_1/104-5889348-4847959?ie=UTF8&s=books
Professional and Occupational Licensing Directory: A Descriptive Guide
to State and Federal Licensing, Registration, and Certification
Requirements, Publisher: Gale Group; 2nd edition (May 1996)
http://www.rileyguide.com/certif.html#gen
The Riley Guide -- Certification and Licensing Information
The continuing education industry is very fragmented and competitive.
If you do a simple search for < earn CEU > you get an interesting
array of provider educational institutions and professional
organizations. I was surprised that I could not locate any market
research reports for the continuing education industry as a whole. I
located one for the extremely lucrative continuing medical education
market. Reviewing the background information for the very expensive
report will give you some idea of the issues involved in the
continuing education market.
://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&q=earn+ceu&btnG=Search
http://www.marketresearch.com/product/display.asp?productid=1093131&xs=r
Online Continuing Medical Education: Trends in the US and European eCME Markets
Datamonitor
March 31, 2005
59 Pages ?
Pub ID: DFMN1093131
Price: $3800
The evolution of formalized CME requirements and increased
accessibility to CME through Internet-enabled channels are two key
factors driving the growth of the eCME markets in the US and Europe.
The extent to which these markets will expand is heavily dependent
upon whether online CME providers and sponsors respond to physicians?
demand for higher quality eCME
Huntingprof-ga, I?m not posting this information as a formal answer
until you tell me that you are fully satisfied that you?ve gotten a
complete answer to your question ? even if it?s not what you were
looking for. Please let me know what else you need.
~ czh ~
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Clarification of Question by
huntingprof-ga
on
27 Aug 2006 05:24 PDT
Dear CZH: We all know it's tough to prove a "negative"; i.e. to
assure that certain compiled info doesn't exist somewhere. But we
feel you have done an excellent job of investigation, showing
perseverance, flexibility, and--we must note--diplomacy. Hence,
WE DECLARE YOU HAVE ANSWERED THE QUESTION. Would you now please, with
our authorization, please go ahead and officially notify Google, and
do whatever is necessary to obtain your fee. (We are not sure how to
bureaucratically accomplish this, and must leave this to you)
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