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Subject: Boundary dispute.....
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: grumpyoldgeezersa-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 31 Aug 2006 16:40 PDT
Expires: 30 Sep 2006 16:40 PDT
Question ID: 761239
I moved into my house in Berkshire England last Christmas and decided
that after consulting the Land Registry documents of my property to
make sure that there were no covenants against it, I asked my
neighbour if he would mind me erecting a fence between our front
gardens along the boundary line as set out on my registered title.  He
said that to his knowledge there had never been a fence between the
two front gardens and that he had 'maintained' an area of garden for a
period of about
14 years which is shown on the Land Registry plan as belonging to my
house.  I spoke to the son and Executor of the former owner of my
house today(owner now deceased) and he conceded that could not
remember a fence ever being
between the two front gardens (at least 15 years). The area 'claimed'
by the neighbour has never been fenced or marked in any way and my
registered title shows a completely straight line between the two
houses with the length of all four boundaries clearly marked in feet
and inches.  If the neighbour can provide independent evidence of his claim for
adverse possession, what I should like to know please ? is, does the
neighbour now have a valid claim for 'adverse possession' despite
never erecting a boundary on this approx 1m wide strip by about 8
metres long.  I need the land back to gain more sensible access to my
side-entrance in order to reach my back garden with a wheelbarrow and
mower etc.

A strange new twist arose just recently when a fencing contractor and
I were surveying what I will call the 'central section' (betweent the
two houses)of the boundary with my same neighbour, to obtain a quote
for the erection of a replacement before it collapses, he indicated
that he had installed the new-looking rear section of the shared
boundary just a year ago
and that the neighbour had insisted to him that the new 6 foot high
boundary fence being put up should be moved over by about 18 inches
(0.5m) at its extreme end, resulting in his garden becoming bigger and
mine smaller.
To add further insult to this, the neighbour received half the cost
of erecting this new section of fence from the Executor of the former
owner of my house.  I have spoken today to the Executor who had no
idea that the fence was not replaced on the same boundary line thereby
reducing the size of the rear garden of the property that he was
trying to sell and which I eventually bought late last year.

Based upon the evidence from the Contractor, such testimony to be
formalised by Avidavit, I assume that I can insist that the neighbour
relocates the fence in it?s former line at his own expense.

The real question is: Will I have to offer to buy back the section of
the front garden or is the neighbour?s claim for possession faulty? 
What should be my best plan to recover both sections of land please?
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Subject: Re: Boundary dispute.....
From: markvmd-ga on 31 Aug 2006 18:29 PDT
 
In the US, "open and notorious use" includes paying taxes on the
adversely possessed land. Do you have a similar law and do you think
he's been paying the higher taxes?
Subject: Re: Boundary dispute.....
From: grumpyoldgeezersa-ga on 04 Sep 2006 17:11 PDT
 
Sounds like an interesting angle on matters for US but UK has no
similar law - he would have had to bring in Her Majesty's Revenue and
Customs to visit and value the extra land - and they would have a duty
to seek out the registered owner of such land.  Anyone in UK can find
out from the Land Registry Government Dept the registered owner for
all land sold in the past 40 years of so since when all property
transfers go onto a country-wide database.  My property went onto it
in 1963 when it was first built.  My site plan shows all measurements
that are registered on this database so it is straightforward to erect
boundaries on the right places.

The key legal aspect involved is really whether someone can claim
possession for just planting some shrubs on a piece of land when what
they did was acknowledged with gratitude by the elderly and disabled
former occupant of my house. The lady cannot be called upon as she is
deceased.
Subject: Re: Boundary dispute.....
From: cynthia-ga on 04 Sep 2006 19:21 PDT
 
I agree, it sounds like theft to me --plain and simple, but then I'm
not an attorney.
Subject: Re: Boundary dispute.....
From: brandoncolorado-ga on 06 Oct 2006 17:52 PDT
 
Hi, great question.  Under English common law, and in the United
States, typically a true fence or boundary as an enclosure is not
required, but it is strong evidence of the exclusive possession
necessary.  The owner must use the land in a way that a reasonable
owner would in the same situation.  A garden would probably accomplish
this.  Things could be different in your locality, and this is not
legal advice, just some info that may point you in the right
direction.

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