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Subject: Prof Dennis Hart Mahan, West Point. (1821-1870)
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: destry-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 13 Oct 2002 13:55 PDT
Expires: 12 Nov 2002 12:55 PST
Question ID: 76143
I am interested in researching the life of Professor Dennis Hart Mahan
of West Point, (1821-1870), his contribution if any to Lincoln's
strategies for winning the war, and his impact, again if any, in the
world of the US Military thought and development during the 19th.
Century.

Request for Question Clarification by juggler-ga on 13 Oct 2002 14:33 PDT
Hi.
Could you provide a little more information about your expectations
for an answer?
Do you want a researcher to summarize and analyze the contribution and
impact of Professor Mahan?
Or would a list of sources of information (i.e., books, articles,
etc.) about Professor Mahan be satisfactory?

Request for Question Clarification by brettquest-ga on 13 Oct 2002 15:07 PDT
Destry-ga:

There is a Dennis Hart Mahan with an impact on the Civil War. However,
the life dates on this Mahan are 1802-1871 rather than 1821-1870.
Please confirm the life dates on your subject of interest. I'll be
happy to summarize and assess him for you if I have the right
individual.

Regards,

Clarification of Question by destry-ga on 15 Oct 2002 12:19 PDT
For Juggler-ga:
Sources essentially are what I seek. If however you have insights into
Mahans worth, especially insights that would focus that research area,
they would be most welcome.(I do have a list of sources at hand
including the only thesis on him). Bottom line is: is his reputation
worth elevating/restoring above the somewhat dismissive references to
him in the usual References?

Clarification of Question by destry-ga on 15 Oct 2002 12:31 PDT
Dear Brettquest-ga,
Sorry, that seems to have been a typo. His dates are 1802 to 1870,
(1821 being the year he entered West Point, I believe).
For your interest, I have Greiss' thesis on him, and am interested in
reaching beyond it to determine his overall worth towards the Union
effort in winning the Civil War and in the professionalisation of the
US Army.
He hailed from Co Leitrim, Ireland where my family also comes from.
Mine lost two brothers at Gettysburg. It has been fireside lore there
that Mahan was the guiding genius of Lincolns strategy.
I am trying to prove that lore is based however tenuously, on fact. A
risky undertaking in my native Ireland but someone must do it!!
Destry-Ga.

Request for Question Clarification by juggler-ga on 15 Oct 2002 23:55 PDT
Thanks for letting us know that you already have Griess' thesis.
That's probably the single largest work devoted to the subject of
Professor Mahan.
Do you have Professor Mahan's memoir? It's apparently rather brief
(approximately  eight pages).

Clarification of Question by destry-ga on 16 Oct 2002 01:11 PDT
Greetings and thanks for a prompt response.
I do not have his memoir and would be most interested in reading it.
In the Leitrim lore, there is a story that Mahan sought to have his
Commission restored and join the war effort. Lincoln, it is said,
refused his application on the grounds that he was too valuable to the
Union effort to be put at risk.
Can you comment on this?
Also I note in Greiss that most sources quoted are in archives, (West
Point and Washington). What means can a distance learner(myself)use to
access these archives or if there is not such a facility, may I
continue to avail of this means (fairly and reasonably) to further my
enquiries?
Finally, I note that there may be some of the Mahan family extant.
Could they be a source of information?
Sorry about this extended counter-query. Ignore what you may.
Regards,
Desmond of Destry-ga.

Request for Question Clarification by juggler-ga on 17 Oct 2002 00:19 PDT
Hello.
Professor Mahan's memoir is available at several libraries such as the
Naval Observatory.
I think this link should take you to the record directly:
http://moon.usno.navy.mil/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll?AC=GET_RECORD&XC=/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll&BU=http%3A%2F%2Fmoon.usno.navy.mil%2FUrania.htm&TN=urania&SN=AUTO15784&SE=872&RN=0&MR=100&RF=Short+Form&DF=Long+Form&RL=0&DL=0&NP=3&ID=&MF=&MQ=&TI=0

If that doesn't work, try this page:
http://moon.usno.navy.mil/Urania.htm
Run a title search for "dennis hart mahan." 

To get a copy or this or other materials such as those cited by
Griess, you'll need to contact the particular library that has the
item. Photocopying policies vary. If the materials that you're seeking
are at the Library of Congress, it's relatively easy to get
photocopies (especially of older, non-copyrighted material).
Visit the LOC's page on this subject for more information:
http://lcweb.loc.gov/preserv/pds/faq.html

Clarification of Question by destry-ga on 17 Oct 2002 10:43 PDT
Juggler-ga,
Thank you for the memoir source, ...er! how do you open it?
Destry-ga.

Clarification of Question by destry-ga on 27 Oct 2002 02:23 PST
Dear Juggler,
Many thanks for your last. I will as you propose initiate a new
question perhaps later when I have read more into the subject.
On that latter point may I thank you for the suggested reading
matarial which I will try to acquire from the site you mentioned.
May I thank you for your advice generally and your suggestions which I
found positive and helpful.
Sincerely,
Destry.
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Subject: Re: Prof Dennis Hart Mahan, West Point. (1821-1870)
From: juggler-ga on 23 Oct 2002 15:57 PDT
 
Hello Destry,
Sorry that I didn't get back to you sooner on this.
If by "open it" you mean actually view the Mahan memoir, I'm afraid
that's not possible. The link I that I provided is a catalog entry
describing a library holding (i.e., a printed volume). To obtain a
copy of that, you'd have to contact the relevant library.

I apologize for any misunderstanding that my comments may have
created.

I had initially hoped to point you to Griess' thesis. However, once
you indicated that you already had that, I mentioned the memoir.
Beyond that, I don't have much else to contribute, so I haven't been
monitoring this question.
Best of luck with your research.
Subject: Re: Prof Dennis Hart Mahan, West Point. (1821-1870)
From: destry-ga on 24 Oct 2002 11:08 PDT
 
For Juggler-ga.
Dear Juggler,
Thanks for your last. I guess I will have to make do with this amount
on Mahan for now.
I would however appreciate your recommendations for insights into the
Union's strategies for fighting the Civil War. If such exists who were
the architects of that strategy.
Sincerely,
Destry.
Subject: Re: Prof Dennis Hart Mahan, West Point. (1821-1870)
From: juggler-ga on 25 Oct 2002 02:06 PDT
 
Hi Destry,

If you're interested in general information about Civil War strategy,
I'd really recommend that post a new question on that topic. As you
probably know, thousands of books have been written about the Civil
War. I did a little browsing over at Amazon.com and they have hundreds
of books available for sale.

You might be interested in something like "The Longest Night: A
Military History of the Civil War" (2001) by David J. Eicher et al.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684849445/

I browsed the index, and apparently the book even mentions Dennis Hart
Mahan on page 68. See the index on Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684849445/ref=lib_rd_next_44/103-3410370-6318209?v=glance&vi=reader&img=44#reader-link
I'm glad that I've been of some help, but the format here doesn't
really lend itself to a lot of back-and-forth discussion. If you'd
like to give it another shot and post some new questions, perhaps some
other researchers will be able to provide some assistance. Thanks.

Juggler.

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