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Q: Artistic venture on private property w/o consent ( No Answer,   6 Comments )
Subject: Artistic venture on private property w/o consent
Category: Relationships and Society > Law
Asked by: pvd2-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 09 Sep 2006 06:28 PDT
Expires: 09 Oct 2006 06:28 PDT
Question ID: 763635
What Colorado statutes apply to  'commercial artistic ventures'
produced on private property without prior consent of owner ?
With malicious intent?

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 09 Sep 2006 08:58 PDT
It would seem that the laws on tresspassing and vandalism would be
applicable here in a fairly straightforward way (depending, of course,
on what actually happened!).

Are you looking for information on those laws, or did you have
something else in mind?

Let us know a bit more about what you need.


Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 09 Sep 2006 14:11 PDT
You would be best served if you would "tell the story", so to speak.
You say this "commercial artistic venture" was "produced on private
property without prior consent of owner". However, we cannot answer
acurately unless we also know if the person producing the venture had
permission to be there in the first place. Also, what malicious act
(or attempt) occured, or did one actually occur at all?

If you tell the story and we can probably go from there. Feel free to
change names, dates and other irrelevent details where necessary for
the sake of privacy. But without the story we're even more confused
about all this than you are. With more details I'd be happy to give it
a shot.


Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 11 Sep 2006 05:02 PDT

Laws may have been broken here, or they may not have's hard
to know without having the full details in hand (and even then, it may
not be very clear!).

Ordinarily, one needs permission to shoot a movie on private property,
and may be violating privacy rights of the property ownder by filming
without permissions.  On the other hand, the conditions of the lease
signed for the properties in question may have conditions that apply
to shooting a film.

Malice, by itself, isn't against the law.  But malicious actions may be.  

However, even if laws HAVE been broken, there is still the question
of...What harm has been done to you?  You've probably heard of court
cases where a person wins a lawsuit, and is awarded one dollar in
damages.  That's the court's way of saying, "Yeah, you're right about
the charges you bring, but we don't see any significant damages that
occured as a result".

So, two questions for you:

--Have you been damaged in any way by these actions, and if so, how?

--Have you consulted a lawyer about this situation, and if so, what
advice have your received (and if not, why not)?

There is no answer at this time.

Subject: Re: Artistic venture on private property w/o consent
From: nelson-ga on 09 Sep 2006 08:28 PDT
Do you mean graffiti?
Subject: Re: Artistic venture on private property w/o consent
From: denco-ga on 09 Sep 2006 11:54 PDT
As pafalafa-ga points out, the more details of the "commercial artistic
ventures" we have the more we can provide as an answer.

In addition to trespassing and vandalism, there could property damage,
harassment, possible civil action, disturbing the peace, etc.

If there was indeed malicious intent, such as dumping 50 gallon barrels
of fuel on the ground in the shape of a giant happy face and then setting
it on fire, someone could face EPA and other federal charges, in addition
to charges under Colorado statutes, depending on the location and activity.
Subject: Re: Artistic venture on private property w/o consent
From: relative-ga on 10 Sep 2006 23:40 PDT
This information should help clarify my original query while remaining
sufficiently ambiguous.

The ?artistic venture(s)? I refer to is the making of 30 or more adult
movies in Colorado, four of which were specifically made on private
property that I owned or leased at the time. The remaining 36 were
filmed on locations I had a previous association with or intimate
knowledge of that place. These films were produced & directed by well
known names in the adult industry and while most of these were
produced in 1995 they are still available today. There is one
individual that appears in all of these films. There are no other
indications that   these movies in any way related to one another. The
actress appearing in all of these movies uses the stage name RL.  I
had no knowledge of this actress, her films or any of her past or
planned film projects until Jan of 2004. I obviously, did not give her
or anyone else consent to film on my property and I believe numerous
other property owners may have also had their property similarly used
and w/o consent.

In the months following I learned

 Planning and production had I discovered that:
-	 The sales agent representing my company may not be the person she
portrays herself to be.
-	 She has appeared in over 100 adult movies.
-	 Some of these films were  used to harm me
-	This list is in fact much longer then what I?ve listed

   By July 2004 I could no longer deny the malice she felt toward me
and accepted her resignation. Her malice has shifted from my private
life to my company and my professional reputation.

I wish to know:
1) Colorado statutes that have or likely to have been violated?
2) Possible strategies or potential evidence to prove locations of the
films? Though not required does custodian of records ever keep
information that may help.  Is the CoR a possible source for any
relevant info? What is their pre-disposition?
3) I have a laundry list of premeditated, malicious, and well
orchestrated acts. What do the courts see Cleary as malice? How do
these cases proceed? What are the penalties?
Subject: Re: Artistic venture on private property w/o consent
From: myoarin-ga on 11 Sep 2006 03:06 PDT
Ambiguity only raises more questions.
Is the questioner pvd2-ga the same person as the commenter relative-ga?

"The sales agent representing my company may not be the person she
portrays herself to be."  "She has appeared in over 100 adult movies."

Are we to understand that the sales agent for your company was also
the actress, thus acquainted with your owned and leased properties and
in a postion to suggest the filming locations and maybe also
misrepresenting herself as your agent for authorizing permission to
film there?

Regardless whether I have understood that part of the situation
correctly, it appears that there was no vandalism or damage to the
property, and bringing a suit for trespassing after more than 10 years
would be fruitless, and almost certainly past the statute of

Malicious intent towards you, if that can be grounds for a suit, would
have to be in the contents of the films or provable actions by a
person, slander and libel.  The answers to several questions here on
these subjects, indicate that such suits are difficult to win.

As the disclaimer below indicates, nothing here is legal or professional advice.
I hope Tututzdad-ga can help you further.

Subject: Re: Artistic venture on private property w/o consent
From: relative-ga on 11 Sep 2006 09:19 PDT
Yes, the sales agent representing my company is the actress appearing
in these films. Our contract only addressed the manner in which the
company and its products were represented and allowed her to work with
other non-competitive companies.

I agree that trespassing particularly so long afterwards has little
hope. There may not be any broken laws in this long list of malicious
acts. It may be a stretch but could these actions be considered in
their entirety, a pattern clearly showing malicious intent?

There is one possibility but I do not have evidence of.
Two months prior to resigning my sales agent visited Colorado for
several days. During this time she had access to computers on our
network. A few months later I came across unusual activity in Outlook
sent & archived .pst files occurring around the time of her visit. I
couldn?t find anything specific and I did not pursue unusual I had
also noticed in my grail accounts. Had she accessed password retrieval
security settings and viewing my mail and retrieving new passwords as
I updated them? This would be a new ballgame if I had evidence proving
unauthorized log-ones to my g-mail accounts. Google may be able to
help me track this I?ll pursue this in a new thread.

She is now employed by a competitor and her acting career remains a
secret, her acting skills however have served her well in at least one
case I know of. Failure to use those skills as my sales agent is ???

Thank you for your help.
Subject: Re: Artistic venture on private property w/o consent
From: pafalafa-ga on 11 Sep 2006 09:24 PDT
You seem quite upset about something, but it isn't at all clear what
that something is.  Nor is it clear how we can best assist you.

Do you have any suggestions as to how we can help?  

Let us know what you think.


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