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Christianity
Category: Relationships and Society Asked by: top19-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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09 Sep 2006 22:03 PDT
Expires: 10 Sep 2006 20:52 PDT Question ID: 763829 |
Why has Christianity (or at least the Cathoulic Church) always been against homosexuality? |
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Re: Christianity
From: probonopublico-ga on 09 Sep 2006 22:42 PDT |
I guess because it wants to encourage its flock to go forth and multiply ... It also used to be against contraception (and maybe it still is). |
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From: fsmth-ga on 10 Sep 2006 02:02 PDT |
Because sex is regarded as one kind of guilties in the basic tenets of Christianity |
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Re: Christianity
From: pugwashjw65-ga on 10 Sep 2006 05:12 PDT |
Because God himself is 'against' it. He gave us the Bible as a guide to morality. When we ignore His teachings, via Jesus, we have to pay the price. In ancient times, the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of the practice. Not violence, or murder, but homosexuality. (Genesis 18:20) Consequently Jehovah said: ?The cry of complaint about Sod?om and Go·mor?rah, yes, it is loud, and their sin, yes, it is very heavy. (Genesis 19:4-5) Before they could lie down, the men of the city, the men of Sod?om, surrounded the house, from boy to old man, all the people in one mob. 5 And they kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: ?Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them.? (Genesis 19:23-25) The sun had gone forth over the land when Lot arrived at Zo?ar. 24 Then Jehovah made it rain sulphur and fire from Jehovah, from the heavens, upon Sod?om and upon Go·mor?rah. 25 So he went ahead overthrowing these cities, even the entire District and all the inhabitants of the cities and the plants of the ground. The warning is there for all Christians, not just Catholics. |
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Re: Christianity
From: probonopublico-ga on 10 Sep 2006 06:26 PDT |
Very enlightening, pugwashjw65-ga, as always! Would you also care to comment on my comment about contraception? Was that also proscribed? And why is/was it only proscribed by certain denominations? My Best Wishes Bryan |
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Re: Christianity
From: myoarin-ga on 10 Sep 2006 06:50 PDT |
Read Leviticus, Old Testament. Moses' laws - besides banning all levels of incest one can imagine - also condemn to death persons who commit homosexual acts. They also prohibit cross-dressing. Since prohibitory laws are seldom made without the existence of what is prohibited, either these things were going on, or were in Egypt and among the non-Isrealites. |
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Re: Christianity
From: keystroke-ga on 10 Sep 2006 07:49 PDT |
I take a different take. As many Christians, I take what Jesus says over anything the Old Testament says. The Old Testament says, "An eye for an eye." The New Testament says, "Love your neighbor as you do yourself." There are two passages in the Bible which concern homosexuality. One, Sodom and Gomorrah, says that that city was destroyed because of the men's actions who lived there. However, I believe that just because these men happened to be committing acts that God did not like, did not mean that they were necessarily just because the men were gay. Just as with most people who have sex outside marriage, these men were having sexual acts that were not within marriage. That is one possible explanation. There are many other "terrible abomination"-style acts that they could have been committing, also. Some Biblical scholars have taken this to mean that the people were having sex in the temple or other things such as that. In addition, as you can see from the quote that pugwash cited above, these men were promiscuous at a high level and willing to have sex with anyone. They are NOT the same as a gay person who chooses a "life partner" and stays with that person for life. (There are many straight people out there who are also quite promiscuous, but that is more acceptable to people for some reason, just because they're straight.) So, God is against people who would have sex with just anyone for any reason. That is more reasonable than being completely against all gays. The Leviticus line is also within some other rules that tell women to never cut their hair, not eat certain kinds of foods (why Jews keep kosher) and do certain things as far as hygiene goes. These things, except homosexuality, seem very minor to us today and most non- orthodox Jews don't do any of them. But, in those days, breaking these laws carried the death penalty. Just the same as at some point, one woman said, "You know, I really don't think God would mind if I cut my hair. It just makes more sense than never cutting it in my whole life," the same decision could now be made about homosexuality. I don't think that it can be a sin to BE gay-- there have been many studies which have proven that gay people are gay from birth and can't help it. If you believe in God, then, you must see that God has created gay people, just the same as anyone else. Here is an article about one study: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5120004.stm People who rail against homosexuality in such negative ways need to look at their own lives and not "judge others, lest ye be judged." Probono is right about churches, from the beginning, probably hyping this "against homosexuality" factor in order to gain more followers, just the same as the Catholic Church being against contraception. Personally, I also find it supremely interesting that the Catholic Church is against gay legal marriage, or civil unions, all of which would be conducted by a judge, when it doesn't even recognize marriages between two straight individuals held outside of the Catholic Church! Why should it care, then, about any kind of marriage besides what it conducts? On a more philosophical viewpoint, there is always an "other" in society. Hitler made the Jews scapegoats for all of Germany's problems and the Germans mostly believed him; the Egyptians made the Israelites into slaves; Jesus was even crucified! You get the picture. People are always against something that is different from them. To someone who is not gay, it could seem perfectly natural to be against gay people, just the same as someone who is white could think it was perfectly natural to be racist against blacks. In fact, in the 1960s, many evangelical religious leaders (who I usually consider to be separate from mainstream religion) were racist and used the Bible to back them up. When I read the Bible I see things like "love your neighbor," but some people can see "hate everyone except yourself" and condemn anyone who doesn't fit their conformities. Quite unfortunate, and a sad aspect of religion. |
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Re: Christianity
From: myoarin-ga on 10 Sep 2006 12:12 PDT |
The question is about why Christianity (or at least the Catholic Church) is against homosexuality, not about whether we agree with this or whether we think it is logical. For about 1950 of the 2000 years of Christianity (more exact dates don't matter), there is no question that homosexuality was something Christian churches and societies and the laws in predominantly Christian - and also Muslim - countries have been strongly opposed to. The question is why. The Bible is the source for Christianity's understanding of what it believes, of its tenets. Pugwash has pointed to the story of Lot and Sodom and Gomorrah, which is only about Jehovah's attitude towards homosexuality and sodomy - fire and brimstone on their heads! The laws in Leviticus codify this attitude in man-made law, elevated to God-given law by appearing in the Bible. Until the twentieth century this was both church and civil law. For the question, it is immaterial whether we think this is right or wrong, or the fact that some branches of Christianity have now changed their attitude. |
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Re: Christianity
From: tutuzdad-ga on 10 Sep 2006 12:43 PDT |
Keystroke -- While I've followed many of your comments and answers with great interest, I beg to differ with you on this one. You said "There are two passages in the Bible which concern homosexuality". If you are saying "There are ONLY two passages...", well, that just not an accurate statement at all. On the other hand, you implied that most modern Christians take what is offered in the New Testament over what is offered in the Old Testament. While it's true that many people would agree, your own mention of this fact serves to dispute the theories you presented. Assuming one subscribes to the Bible as truth he must consider two Biblical facts: 1) The Apostle Paul was visited by Jesus Christ Himself and was directed what to do throughout his life. He was given the knowledge of what to say by the Holy Spirit and virtually every word that came from Paul's mouth is widely 2) Paul said this in his letter to the church at Rome (Chapter 1 beginning in verse 22): Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. So you see my friend there ARE more than two places in the Bible where homosexuality is expressly forbidden. SPEAKING FROM A NON-RELIGIOUS VIEWPOINT AND SOLEY AS A RESEARCHER OF FACTS it is true that some Christian practitioners claim that their interpretation is that it is not a sin to BE gay, only to act upon it. Others (more in line with the official Catholic view) maintain that in his letter to the Romans Paul (speaking as inspired to do so by God) finds that not only is the physical act of sodomy or fornication considered a sin, but also the "lust", the "vile affections" and the "reprobate mind". So Top19-ga... Having pointed out the substance and origin of the New Testament prohibition in the context of many Christian beliefs, including Catholicism, does this suffice as an answer? Regards; tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Christianity
From: tutuzdad-ga on 10 Sep 2006 12:45 PDT |
I'm sorry, I got distracted and my first fact was incomplete. It shoudl have said: 1) The Apostle Paul was visited by Jesus Christ Himself and was directed what to do throughout his life. He was given the knowledge of what to say by the Holy Spirit and virtually every word that came from Paul's mouth is widely considered by modern Christians to have been the inspired Word of God. |
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Re: Christianity
From: easterangel-ga on 10 Sep 2006 15:09 PDT |
I recently did a work about bible references as regards this matter. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=468306 |
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