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Subject:
Gambling math question
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: awstick-ga List Price: $25.00 |
Posted:
25 Sep 2006 12:52 PDT
Expires: 25 Oct 2006 12:52 PDT Question ID: 768310 |
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Re: Gambling math question
From: stanmartin1952-ga on 25 Sep 2006 14:16 PDT |
Here's a start: Assume probability of winning one bet is 1/2 (For a small number of bets, that is close enough). Assume w means win and l means lose. With a start of 1, you could get to 3 by ww, wlww, wlwlww, etc. This works out to (1/2)^2 + (1/2)^4 + (1/2)^6 This works out to .25 + .0625 + .015 This works out to .33 You can work out the other targets in the same manner. |
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Re: Gambling math question
From: stanmartin1952-ga on 26 Sep 2006 00:42 PDT |
I have to get some sleep, but I'll get back to this tomorrow. The reason that these probabilities are low is not because of the house 505/495 advantage, but rather the fact that you have only a dollar, whereas the house has infinite capital (You might consider starting with more capital). Of course, the house 505/495 advantage becomes important when you have a long string of bets. I'm sure that I can continue with this. |
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Re: Gambling math question
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 26 Sep 2006 06:14 PDT |
OK, I think I have figured out how to solve this as requested now: Here are the odds: $1: .4950 $2: .3267 $3: .2426 $4: .1921 $5: .1584 $6: .1344 $7: .1164 $8: .1024 $9: .0912 $10:.0820 $11:.0743 To calculate these, I (you guessed it) made an Excel spreadsheet. Here is a sample: $- $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 1 0.505 0.495 2 0.755 0.000 0.245 3 0.755 0.124 0.000 0.121 4 0.817 0.000 0.123 0.000 0.060 5 0.817 0.062 0.000 0.091 0.000 0.030 6 0.849 0.000 0.077 0.000 0.060 0.000 0.015 7 0.849 0.039 0.000 0.068 0.000 0.037 0.000 8 0.868 0.000 0.054 0.000 0.053 0.000 0.022 9 0.868 0.027 0.000 0.053 0.000 0.037 0.000 10 0.882 0.000 0.040 0.000 0.045 0.000 0.025 The chart reads... Across the top, you have the dollar amount obtained. Along the side, you have the number of gambles. The body of the chart displays the odds of acheiving the given dollar amount after the given number of gambles. Here are the formulas: After 1 gamble, we know that $0 is .505 and $1 is .495 Along the $0 column, the odds are always the $0 odds above it + .505 x the $1 odds above it. So after 2 gambles, $0 odds = .505 + .505 x .495 (the trend continues below). Along the $1 column (after the first gamble), the odds are always .505 x the $2 odds above it. (notice that you can never move from $0 to $1, that is why this column has a different formula than the rest of the positive values). For every other column, the formula is: For dollar amount X: odds above for 'X-1' * .495 + odds above for 'X+1' * .505 (the reason is that you have a .495 chance of moving from the dollar amount below and a .505 chance of moving from the dollar amount above. To find the odds of hitting any specific dollar amount, you must then eliminate all the columns to its right (because once you reach $5, you won't keep playing to try to reach $5). Then sum the entire column to find the odds of reaching your desired amount (notice that the rows must be infinite to get a precise value... my values are based on a maximum of 200 gambles). And finally, here is the expected value for each dollar amount you attempt to acheive: $1: $.495 $2: $.6534 $3: $.7277 $4: $.7683 $5: $.7922 $6: $.8066 $7: $.8150 $8: $.8194 $9: $.8211 $10:$.8205 $11:$.8175 Notice that this maxes out when attempting to acheive $9 with an expected gain of $.8211 (assuming this is a free $1 you're playing with)... also notice that in my comment to your other question, the expected value can reach .9268 by using the method that I suggested there. You will have better success if you gamble all the money every time (as you suggested over there, the bonus encourages you to be risky). Let me know if I'm off my rocker or you need any clarification. |
Subject:
Re: Gambling math question
From: awstick-ga on 26 Sep 2006 10:25 PDT |
Thanks a lot for your help. The numbers were so much better than I expected. When applying them to my situation I found that the expected weekly profit is still increasing significantly after winning 11 hands. Using your numbers for winning $10 and $11 I get this: (.0820 x $1000) - (.9180 x $67) = $20.49 (.0743 x $1100) - (.9257 x $67) = $19.71 So the odds of winning, times the profit, minus the odds of losing times the loss, is equal to the expected profit for one single deposit. However, since I can claim this bonus as many times as I want until I cash out, my total profit would be the EV for one deposit, divided by my chance of success. This makes my profit for a 10 unit win $250 (20.49 / .082), and my profit for an 11 unit win $265 ($19.71 / .0743). I think the way I described of flat betting $100 per hand is the best way I could play this. I know that doubling the bet after every win would be better, but the casino has a maximum bet size of $100 per hand, so I could never bet more than that. I'm still trying to digest the information you gave me about the method you used to solve it, so I could apply it myself in future. But what you have given me should be sufficient. I calculated my expected profit for $1 to $11, and looking at the numbers I think the breakeven point would be around $18 with profit of roughly $320. Even if my profit is going to be a bit higher by continuing after winning $1100, I don't think I would have the guts to risk doing it. I'll probably just try and get to the $1000 winning point, as it would be incredibly disappointing to risk losing all of that for a few extra dollars in EV. |
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