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Subject: For Answerfinder: More info required on The Third Man
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: probonopublico-ga
List Price: $15.00
Posted: 11 Oct 2006 05:40 PDT
Expires: 10 Nov 2006 04:40 PST
Question ID: 772607
Dear asnwerfinder

You will recall my question 765848 in which you cleverly identified
The Third Man as Dicky Hamer?

Well, I have been told by a man who knew him that Dicky emigrated to
Spain probably in the Sixties and that he was later killed in a car
crash.

Could you please don your deerstalker; call up your trusty steed from
the stable and with truncheon in one hand and magnifying glass in
t'other ...

INVESTIGATE how we could prove that Dicky is well and truly dead.

Certification required.

Obviously, you may draw a blank but I am sure that you can do better than most.

Good Luck!

Bryan
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Subject: Re: For Answerfinder: More info required on The Third Man
Answered By: answerfinder-ga on 11 Oct 2006 08:26 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear Bryan,

I am not sure you will get very far with this one, especially in
Spain. If a UK citizen dies abroad there is no requirement to register
the death with the UK?s General Register Office. However, a family
relation may notify the British Consul or High Commission, and through
them the death is registered at the GRO.

The genealogy website 1837online.com provides GRO?s indices for deaths
abroad. I?ve checked and there are 36 pages of the indices which MAY
contain the surname Hamer. You need to register and buy units to view
the pages. (50 units costs 5)

Go to this page
http://www.1837online.com/OverseasStartSearchServlet?searchType=D&group=DEATHS
In the ?Event? category select 
GRO CONSULAR DEATH INDICES 
GRO HIGH COMMISSION DEATH INDICES 
GRO DEATHS ABROAD INDICES 

The dates: 1945 - 2003
Surname: Hamer
When the list comes up click to view each page. If successful, the GRO
reference number should be noted.


These are the GRO pages on overseas deaths and ordering a certificate.

?If a British citizen or member of the British Armed Forces dies
abroad, a death certificate is issued by the relevant authorities in
the country concerned. This document is usually acceptable for all
official purposes although it may need to be translated into English
or Welsh, as appropriate. We are not automatically notified or sent
copy certificates. Additionally, the death can often be registered at
the request of the deceased family, by the British Consul or High
Commission in the country where it happened.?
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/deaths/registeringanoverseasdeath/
Ordering overseas certificates
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/research/searchingforoverseasrecords/


Another option relates to wills, and this is a difficult option. You
could search to see whether a Grant of Representation was recorded in
the UK. These two pages will assist you on how to search for that, but
it sounds very labour intensive, and without a year, may be fruitless.
http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1226.htm
http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1183.htm


Staying in the UK. I searched again for additional information on
Hamer without success. I found telephone directory entries for a
Richard Hamer 1945 - 1959 at West Heath Court, NW11, but nothing to
say whether it is the same person.


Moving on to Spain. Deaths are registered at the local Civil Registry
(Registro Civil). Spain is split into autonomous regions, and each
sub-divided into areas which have a each have a civil registry. There
is no central database. Without knowing the area where the death
occurred, you are faced with contacting each civil registry and
applying for a death certificate.

These are pages from the Justice Ministry which explain how a death is
registered and how a death certificate may be obtained.

Registering a death
http://www.justicia.es/servlet/Satellite?cid=1057821035243&pagename=Portal_del_ciudadano%2FPage%2FTramite&lang=en_gb&c=page&subseccion=Presencial&tipotramite=PFM&idtramite=1060583996872&menu_persona=menu_activo

Certificate types
http://www.justicia.es/servlet/Satellite?cid=1057821035243&pagename=Portal_del_ciudadano%2FPage%2FTramite&lang=en_gb&c=page&subseccion=Descripcion&menu_persona=menu_activo&tipotramite=PFM&idtramite=1060583996645

How to apply
http://www.justicia.es/servlet/Satellite?cid=1057821035243&pagename=Portal_del_ciudadano%2FPage%2FTramite&lang=en_gb&c=page&subseccion=Presencial&tipotramite=PFM&idtramite=1060583996645&menu_persona=menu_activo

This links to a list of the Oficina Registro Civil and you will see
how many there are.
http://www.justicia.es/portal/public/_s.155/253

The application form
http://www.justicia.es/servlet/Satellite/Certificado%20de%20Defuncion.ai.pdf?blobcol=urldescarga1&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=Tramite&blobwhere=1060583996645&cachecontrol=5:0:0+*%2F*%2F*&ssbinary=true

Would you like me to research 1837online.com? I?d be happy to do it
under this question. Or do you wish to do it?

fawnersnider-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by probonopublico-ga on 11 Oct 2006 09:34 PDT
fawnersnider-ga

Yes!

Please do the 1837 searches and advise the cost!

Between us, we will get him for sure, while I do the PR thing.

All the Best

Bryan

Clarification of Answer by answerfinder-ga on 12 Oct 2006 01:31 PDT
Bryan,

I have searched the overseas registers of deaths as detailed above and
no luck, I?m afraid.

These were the entries in the name of Hamer with reference number in
case the names become relevant at a later stage.

1978 Frederick Anthony Hamer 39 Las Palmas C0345
1986 Joan Winifred B Hamer b.08/10/1913 Palma C/HC 0515
1986 Margaret Joyce Hamer b.30/01/1931 Gibraltar F0075
1989 Alfred Buckley Hamer b.23/11/1911 Palma C/HC 0429
1993 Lewis Charles Hamer b.25/04/1936 Valetta C/HC 0212

The UK deaths registers for 1945 - 1983 are far too numerous to make
it practical to search each quarterly volume. There are seven entries
for 1984 - 2004 in the name of Richard Hamer, but none abroad.

Sorry it has not turned up trumps. It cost me 5 to search the indices.

wafersdinner-ga

Clarification of Answer by answerfinder-ga on 12 Oct 2006 02:48 PDT
More than enough, thank you. Shame it was not the result you wanted.
probonopublico-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $15.00
Hi wafersdinner-ga

Very many thanks for looking & for all the other info provided.

I hope the tip will also cover your out-of-pockets.

All the Best

Byran

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Subject: Re: For Answerfinder: More info required on The Third Man
From: fp-ga on 11 Oct 2006 09:07 PDT
 
My previous link
http://www.ukinspain.com/english/consularServices/deaths.asp?IdNavSections=51

i.e. your question
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=329463

is being redirected to
http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/

But, I suppose, that the details on this page:
http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1150455586753

have already been mentioned by Answerfinder.
Subject: Re: For Answerfinder: More info required on The Third Man
From: probonopublico-ga on 11 Oct 2006 09:37 PDT
 
Hi Freddy

Very many thanks for your comment.

As you know, I had probs tracing Anna in similar circumstances but it
all came good in the end, thanks to your sources.

Dicky Hamer was a very Tricky Dicky.

All the Best

Bryan
Subject: Re: For Answerfinder: More info required on The Third Man
From: bowler-ga on 11 Oct 2006 18:53 PDT
 
Ah, yes the third man.

As I recall he comes after the second man but right before the fourth man.

And he's a bit less well off than the six million dollar man.

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