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value of my Paragon china
Category: Family and Home > Home Asked by: sandyjones-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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14 Oct 2006 21:23 PDT
Expires: 13 Nov 2006 20:23 PST Question ID: 773567 |
I inherited some Paragon china. The set is a rose and floral pattern on different pastel backgrounds. The set includes salad/dessert plates, coffee cups and saucers. On the back, it says Paragon H. M. the Queen & HM Queen Mary-- Fine bone china England--registered. |
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Re: value of my Paragon china
From: probonopublico-ga on 14 Oct 2006 22:32 PDT |
On the back, it says Paragon H. M. the Queen & HM Queen Mary-- Fine bone china England--registered. Are you sure? This suggests that H.M. the Queen is paddling her boat, the Queen Mary. |
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Re: value of my Paragon china
From: sandyjones-ga on 15 Oct 2006 07:49 PDT |
Yes. I rechecked and that is exactly what it says. |
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Re: value of my Paragon china
From: myoarin-ga on 15 Oct 2006 09:18 PDT |
Perhaps Paragon had Royal Warrants from both The Queen and Queen Mary, The Queen then most probably being the daughter of Queen Mary and mother of the present Queen. Queen Mary was "Queen Mother" from 1936 until her death in 1953, but I expect that a Royal Warrant would not use that title. Theoretically, if the china was made in the couple of years after her death, a Royal Warrant in her name might still have been in effect, and thus "The Queen" could refer to QE II. I would have thought that reference to Royal Warrants would include the coat of arms of the person. Do you know anything about the date of the china? |
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Re: value of my Paragon china
From: sandyjones-ga on 15 Oct 2006 10:11 PDT |
It appears there are two coats of arms on the back of these dishes. One on left appears to be two lions and the one on the right appears to have a lion on the left and an elk or deer with antlers on the right. I am not familiar with English royal history or their coats of arms. These dishes came into my mother's possession from an estate sale in the early 1970's. She later gave them to me. I am unsure of the date of origination but have looked through all 800+ offerings on ebay and find none like them. The predominate flower is a rose but there's a large tulip and other flowers as well. |
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Re: value of my Paragon china
From: probonopublico-ga on 15 Oct 2006 12:15 PDT |
O No Myo The mother of the present Queen (QEII) was a former Bowes-Lyon; who married the man who became King George VI. Queen Mary was the mother of QEII's father QED |
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Re: value of my Paragon china
From: myoarin-ga on 15 Oct 2006 13:35 PDT |
Hi Bryan, That is what I thought I said - I won't bather to check - that's what I meant, and Sandy's descriptions of the "supporters" to the coats of arms confirm that H M the Queen and H M Queen Mary were respectively Queen Consort Elizabeth (Bowles-Lyon) and her mother, Queen Consort Mary (of Teck). Here is the coat of arms of the then H M the Queen, with two lions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:QM_Arms.png You can read about her here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bowes-Lyon Here you can read about Queen Mary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_of_Teck If you scroll down quite a bit you will find her standard with the description of the right hand half, her family's arms "quartered" with the royal arms as displayed by her grandfather. The Teck arms are three antlers and three lions, the same as those of the House of Württemberg in Germany, from which her father descended. Teck is a castle in Germany. I am sure the "supporters" of this coat of arms are a lion and elk, appropriate to the items on the arms, but I couldn't find and image of that. But here at no 22.2621, you will find Mary of Teck. http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/Wurttemberg_Royal_Family.htm So, this all indicates that the china was made between 1936, when Elizabeth became queen, and 1953, when Mary, her mother died, perhaps a couple of years later. But, Sandy, you have asked what the china is worth ... ? Perhaps localizing its age has a bearing on it value, I don't know. But interesting - to me. Regards, Myoarin |
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Re: value of my Paragon china
From: sandyjones-ga on 15 Oct 2006 18:25 PDT |
Since you seem to know a lot about this sort of thing, is there a site on the Internet--or elsewhere--that I might could find the pattern and find out more of the china's history? I think the china is beautiful. That's why my mother gave them to me. Thanks for your help. |
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Re: value of my Paragon china
From: myoarin-ga on 16 Oct 2006 02:53 PDT |
Sandy, I was more intrigued by the royalty - and could have saved myself a lot of time by first finding this site, that confirms my analysis: http://www.thepotteries.org/features/paragon1956.htm This Canadian eBay site has pages of Paragon china. On pages 2,7, 9 (I believe) I found items that seem to meet your description, but check out all the pages. http://pottery.listings.ebay.ca/China-Dinnerware_Paragon_W0QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ18883QQsocmdZListingItemList Here is the US eBay site with more - or the same: http://listings.ebay.com/China-Dinnerware_Paragon_W0QQfromZwwwQ2egoogleQ2ecomQQsacatZ18883QQsocmdZListingItemListQQssPageNameZVINSQ3a18883 If those don't work, just search with Paragon china to find them and others, such as this one, which may help you identify the name of your pattern: http://www.replacements.com/china/PAR.htm It does not have pictuers for all the names, but it does have lots of prices. A comparison with those on eBay indicates the spread on prices and the mark-up of a professional retailer. I hope that helps. These are free comments, it's been fun. Good luck, Myoarin |
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Re: value of my Paragon china
From: sandyjones-ga on 16 Oct 2006 09:43 PDT |
Dear Myoarin, You are a jewel to have invested your time and gone to so much trouble to assist me. Thank you so very much. I can tell you are an expert at this sort of thing. This is something I've wanted to research for a while but didn't really know where to start. Then I thought of "Ask Google" and even though they have not responded, I have gained a world of information through your comments. I look forward to reading more about the royalty on the site you mentioned. Thanks again. After years as an RN manager, I recently resigned to pursue my dream of a small shop of "previously owned treasures." All the knowledge I can acquire will be of great help in my endeavors. These dishes, however, are my own treasure and I do not intend to part with them. My mother is gone now and they are another precious connection to her memory. You are so appreciated. Sandy |
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Re: value of my Paragon china
From: myoarin-ga on 16 Oct 2006 10:34 PDT |
Sandy, Thank you for the kind words. Actually, it was easy - and I went about it the long way, not very expert. I happen to know something about royal warrants, but that can also easily been found on the web. I wish you success with your shop. Regards, Myoarin |
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