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2006 Nissan 350Z / Driving Stick Shift
Category: Sports and Recreation > Automotive Asked by: kanpachi-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
25 Oct 2006 01:54 PDT
Expires: 24 Nov 2006 00:54 PST Question ID: 776684 |
Hello, I purchased a new 2006 Nissan 350Z (6-speed manual transmission) a couple of days ago, and I had a few questions regarding the car specifically and how to drive stick shifts in general. 1. The owner?s manual claims that a 1200 mile break-in period is required. Is this really necessary? Many people tell me that newer cars don?t require a break-in period. Please do not provide any obvious answers like ?well if the owner?s manual says so, then do it?. Would appreciate some evidence/sources to back-up this answer. If this is required, how strictly does one need to follow the guidelines? 2. What is the optimal way to get from stop to moving in 1st gear? Is it better to rev the engine to 1500-2000 RPMs while the clutch is fully down and then slowly let off the clutch until the catch point is hit, or is it better to slowly release the clutch until it is close to the catch point and then apply gas as necessary to get the plates to synchronize and have the car start moving? 3. Will stalling the car and driving the car rough initially hurt my car (i.e. shifting from gear to gear is still jerky and rough, stalling on hills)? I am new to driving manual, so I can?t say that I am the best at driving it right now, but am afraid that I may be doing severe damage to the car. 4. Is it normal to hear the gears being shifted when your windows are down? I can actually hear the sound of metal plates being moved around when the gears are shifted (fairly audible especially at nighttime when there is no traffic). I would greatly appreciate some well-thought out answers to the questions above. Please provide concrete/definitive answers rather than answers like ?it should not hurt the car? or ?it should be okay?. Also, please refrain from any silly comments like ?rev the engine to 7000 RPM and dump the clutch?. Thanks. |
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Re: 2006 Nissan 350Z / Driving Stick Shift
From: markvmd-ga on 25 Oct 2006 07:44 PDT |
The guys on Car Talk (cartalk.com) last week discussed break-in periods and concluded it was best to drive new cars gently and at varying speeds during the first couple of thousand miles. Is it necessary? Who really knows? The potential damage probably won't show up for years so if you aren't keeping your car forever... As for learning stick, do what I did-- go out now and buy a $200 (in 1984 it was $50 so I'm adjusting for inflation) used car with a manual transmission, get temp plates for it, burn out that clutch learning, and junk the car in two weeks! |
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Re: 2006 Nissan 350Z / Driving Stick Shift
From: veconofix-ga on 25 Oct 2006 10:53 PDT |
I have operated a mechanic shop for 30+ years and have rebuilt numerous Nissan engines as well as engines on other vehicles. I have extensive information about manual transmissions and clutches on my site: http://econofix.com/mtrans.html and http://econofix.com/clutch.html In answer to your question: Yes, proper break-in is VERY critical to making your engine last as long as it should. When an engine is brand new (or freshly rebuilt) the cylnder walls and piston rings have not yet "worn in" to fit each other. Before you assemble an engine you hone the cylinders to create a "crosshatch" pattern. These fine "scratches" in the cylinder wall hold oil while and providing a slightly abrasive surface against the piston rings. The piston rings when new have a dull (slightly rough) finish to them. As the motor "breaks in" the slightly rough piston rings and the slightly rough cylinder walls polish each other to provide a tight seal on the combustion chamber. If this polishing is not accomplished properly, you will have excessive blowby gasses from your motor (see my article: http://econofix.com/pcv.html for a description of blowby gasses) There are other things that have to "break in" on a new motor, most notably the valves have to "seat in", but these are not nearly as critical as the piston ring break-in. When I build a motor, I follow this strategy: First, I get it running. I will run it at aboiut 2000 to 2500 RPM for about 10 to 15 minutes. After that I shut it off and check the oil and coolant levels one more time. This step has already been done at the factory on a new car. The next step is a road test. The worst thing you can do to a new motor is let it just sit still and idle. The cylinder walls (piston rings) rely on oil slinging off the crankshaft to lubricate them, so you want a lot of oil slinging around in there. At idle very ilittle oil is being sprayed around inside the crankcase. The second worst thing you could do is to "lug" or "dog" the motor: in other words put it under so much of a load that it jumps and jerks or goes below 700 RPM or so. The third worst thing would be to "hot rod" the motor: going very fast and doing hard acceleration with it. The best way to break in a motor is to drive it gently, but under various conditions. I try to get out on a highway, and go 45 MPH for awhile, then 55, back to 45, then up to 65, gently accelerating between those speeds. Speed isn't as important as RPM: Keep the RPM under 3000-3500 AT ALL TIMES!!! Don't just get on the road and do one speed: mix it up a little! I try to put at least 50 miles or so on the engine before I give it back to the customer! The first miles are the most important!!! You might consider letting a friend who is good at driving a clutch drive it for the first 50 miles or so: Go on a road trip! As to clutch operation: it's better to rev the engine up and let the clutch slip a bit rather than "lugging" or "jerking" the engine, ESPECIALLY A NEW ENGINE! Hold the RPM at about 1500 and SLOWLY let the clutch out. Don't give it any more gas, just hold your foot steady on the gas pedal Let the clutch slip a bit! Very soon you will learn to co-ordinate the gas and the clutch pedal so you won't have to rev the engine up as much and you won't be letting the clutch slip nearly as much either. |
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Re: 2006 Nissan 350Z / Driving Stick Shift
From: veconofix-ga on 25 Oct 2006 10:56 PDT |
Oh, yeah, a "click" heard when you put it in gear is normal, especially reverse. Grinding shouldn't happen if you shift it properly. improper would be things like trying to put it in reverse while it is rolling forward, etc. |
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Re: 2006 Nissan 350Z / Driving Stick Shift
From: kanpachi-ga on 25 Oct 2006 11:55 PDT |
Thanks for the information, veconofix. You mentioned that the first 50 miles are the most important? That's horrible for me - I've stalled the car like 20 times because I am not too familiar with stick shift and I've been rough with it as any beginner would (unintentionally) during this time frame. Is my car doomed to break down now? I didn't know that cars were so delicate when new. |
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Re: 2006 Nissan 350Z / Driving Stick Shift
From: myoarin-ga on 25 Oct 2006 15:42 PDT |
Kanpachi, You do have a license for stick shift, I hope, if necessary where you are. Myoarin |
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Re: 2006 Nissan 350Z / Driving Stick Shift
From: veconofix-ga on 25 Oct 2006 19:29 PDT |
You'll probably be OK. Just stalling out the engine from letting the clutch out too quick probably hasn't hurt that much. Just try to break it in right from now on! Like I say, hold the gas pedal steady and let the clutch out really slowly. Pretty soon you'll get the hang of it and not have to do it that way, and not have to "slip" the clutch so much. Pretty soon you'll be letting the clutch out at the same time as you press the gas, and from then on it will be like riding a bicycle: you'll never forget it. |
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Re: 2006 Nissan 350Z / Driving Stick Shift
From: usrhlp-ga on 28 Oct 2006 08:52 PDT |
Im from england and in general we only drive manual. i will advise you.....WEAR THE ENGINE IN slowly, i had a friend who didn't, reved it to red line from 1st to 5th and after 500 miles the engine seized up due to the expanding of the pistons and cylinders. He needed a new engine. totally wrecked the car. Dont be overly cautious though otherwise your engine may seize up for a different reason of lack of use :) My boss had a new car and drove it round an airfield totally ragging it to death and doing bad gear changes. Ruined the gears and the box dropped to the floor. Work them in and dont drive too hard, you will need to practise a lot if you have not done manual before. Go slow for the first month. You have a lovely and powerful car there, VERY nice, you have a lot of power under that foot of yours. Don't expect to drive like a Brit until at least after a month, take it steady and enjoy learning to properly drive! usrhlp. |
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Re: 2006 Nissan 350Z / Driving Stick Shift
From: myoarin-ga on 28 Oct 2006 09:02 PDT |
Veconofix's last comment reminded me of something. Your basic problem is getting accustomed to coordinating your feet and learning to use your left one gently. It is a matter of feel - like with new brakes or a different car for your right foot. It just takes a little experience. I remember how it was once, when I was driving for months, and rested my right foot by using my left one on the accelerator, discovering that it just wasn't accustomed to the fine movements that came without thought when I was using my right foot. It just takes practice. |
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Re: 2006 Nissan 350Z / Driving Stick Shift
From: sparkysko-ga on 30 Oct 2006 16:31 PST |
1. Not following the break in period probably won't blow up your engine, but your piston rings won't seal as nice. Main thing you'll notice is that it'll burn oil alot quicker. Might have to add oil in between oil changes. A properly 'broke in' engine won't need to have oil added between oil changes. Also the performance will be lower, as far as power. Not having the parts tightly meshed won't damage the engine really, it's just annoying. 2. I have a manual nissan, and after 3 years of driving it, I still have to say that their stick shifts are the biggest pain in the butt to use. I still lug my engine all the time or slip the clutch alot. Even if I try to 'baby' it as much as I can. They have a very short clutch throw, so I either lug, or burn out. I try to hover around 1500, but usually end up revving to about 2,000 rpm. I have smoother shifts if I try to quickly do it, rather than baby it. (Like when I'm trying to make a turn from a stop with traffic). I'm still not used to mine, not sure if you ever will be with yours. It's a pain in the butt, don't believe me, try driving a manual civic or hyundai, everythings so smooth and sloppy, it feels like driving a go kart. Nissan's have very unforgiving clutches. 3. Lugging and stalling the car is bad. You have an explosion in your engine, and you're not letting the pressure release, so it ends up banging the hell out of your piston and valves. It'll slowly eat them up with it's burninating powers. Not good, but I've done it for the past 40,000 miles on mine, and it still works. 4. Shift noise is probably fine. I'm sure you'd know if it was horrible grinding. Just don't force the stick into a gear, there's a point where it will easily slide into gear with one finger, try to aim for that. You can force your car to shift quickly, and it will be much harder to move the stick into position. This will eventually eat up your synchronizers. I'm sorry if these aren't 'definitive answers'. If you're really concerned, go down to the dealership, pay them 50$ for a 'diagnosis' and have them ride with you, and ask them 'is this bad for my car when I do this?'. |
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