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Subject: Location of Berdeshofer, Upper Alsace, Germany (France)
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference
Asked by: aroseisarose-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 17 Oct 2002 07:10 PDT
Expires: 16 Nov 2002 06:10 PST
Question ID: 77719
According to the "History of Western Maryland, vol II, p. 1477,
published in 1882, my wife's ancestor "Tobias Steyer was born Nov. 7,
1730, in Berdeshofer, Upper Alsace, Germany..."  I have been told that
the spelling should be Berdeshofen, and I assume the area is now in
France.  However, I have not been able to locate the town.
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Subject: Re: Location of Berdeshofer, Upper Alsace, Germany (France)
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 17 Oct 2002 17:40 PDT
 
Dear aroseisarose-ga;

The town you are seeking is called Bergtshofen and it is located in
the Bayern region of Germany. Simply put, that’s the answer and beyond
that there really isn’t much more to say. You can check these links I
have provided for you and see the maps, information, photos and
history (you will need to use a language translator of some kind as it
is written in German  - I have provided a link to one of those for you
as well).

I lived in Germany for two years and the minute I saw your question I
knew what town you were speaking of and why no one could identify it.
You see, in previous eras different types of script and in some case
characters were used in the German language. Many, many people before
us have made the same mistake that your reference book did while
translating 14th – 19th century text into modern English. At time, “S”
may look like a “B” and so forth. This leads to misidentifications of
places like Bergtshofen, and in fact, as you probably already know,
immigrants coming into Ellis Island were completely renamed because of
these discrepancies. I speak quite a bit of German so when I tell you
that the name “Bergtshofen” is actually pronounced “berg-tez-hofen”.
As you can see for yourself, when spoken lightly the name is readily
mistaken for “Berdeshofen”. That, combined with the old script of
1700’s Germany (and, most likely, the illiteracy of the time) is
undoubtedly the cause of all this confusion. Additionally, just in
case you aren’t already surprised enough, a citizen of Bergtshofen…is
referred to as a Bergtshofer (berg-tes-hofer).

I’m so glad to have been able to solve this mystery for you.

Best regards;
Tutuzdad-ga

Willkommen in Bergtshofen! (English Translation: Welcome to
Bergtshofen!)
Complete site with maps. Photos and information
http://www.geocities.com/bergtshofen/

1000 Jahre Bergtshofen (English Translation: 1000 Years of
Bergtshofen)
http://www.geocities.com/bergtshofen/geschichte.html

Goiogle Translation Tools
://www.google.com/language_tools

Examples of Old German Handwritten Script
http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/scripts.html

Request for Answer Clarification by aroseisarose-ga on 18 Oct 2002 19:29 PDT
The answer is great; but, the link to the English translation of "1000
Years..." is also in German.
Thanks

Clarification of Answer by tutuzdad-ga on 18 Oct 2002 20:39 PDT
Yes, unfortunatley that particular site is indeed in German. Most
German sites have a readily accessible English translation available
but when you get out into the more rural areas of Germany (smaller
villages) where citizens don’t have that much contact with Americans
and other English speaking peoples, it is not uncommon to find
information written exclusively in the native language.

I suggest you email the webmaster and ask him if he can provide you
with an English translation. You will find the email address here:

 http://www.geocities.com/bergtshofen/kontakt.html

In the meantime, I might suggest Google’s translator at
://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en which can provide you with
a roughly translated version. AltaVista also has such a tool and it
can be found at http://world.altavista.com/tr

I’d be happy to give you additional information to enjoy while you
wait for a response from the webmaster (these are also in German but
there are photos and maps that speak for themselves)

Map indicating Bergtshofen
http://www.geocities.com/bergtshofen/lage.html

Photos of Bergtshofen
http://www.geocities.com/bergtshofen/ansichten.html


Nearby cities:
Uffenheim:  10 km 
Bad Windsheim:  15 km 
Rothenburg:  25 km 
Ansbach: 35 km 
Würzburg: 55 km 
Nürnberg:  110 km
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