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What substance can absorb Infrared light ?
Category: Science Asked by: phkoech-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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03 Nov 2006 01:47 PST
Expires: 03 Dec 2006 01:47 PST Question ID: 779697 |
I have bought a IR rear camera (see http://cgi.ebay.fr/CAMERA-DE-RECUL-COULEUR-MIRROIR-ET-VISION-DE-NUIT-IR_W0QQitemZ130043199531QQihZ003QQcategoryZ113057QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) and I have monted it below the rear window of my car (see pictures at the bottom of this page : http://www.forum-peugeot.com/Forum/demonter-hayon-arriere-807-pour-cam-recul-27696-0.html). The problem is that, at night, IR light form the camera is reflected by the heating resistance that is inside the rear windows (see black lines on the rear windows : http://www.hiboox.com/image.php?img=cdac7886.jpg), so the cam image is saturated by this reflected light and I don't see anything on my LCD screen. I havec tried to paint the resistance in black colour, but IR light is reflected by back colour ! So my question is : what can I do to avoid IR light beeing reflected by the heating resistance of my rear windows. Can I found on web merchant or on department stores some painting that absorbs IR light ? Is there another solution (I don't want to remove the eating resistance of my car) ? | |
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Re: What substance can absorb Infrared light ?
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 04 Nov 2006 22:49 PST Rated: |
As qed explained in the comment, painting the warm surface with absorbent material will not help. You would need to have a window ( small circle cut into a rear window) covered with a material which is transparent to IR You need to decide 'what is IR and what is transparent) as indicated in this Answer from a different service http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061029200658AAWl7IU Ordinary glass is not transparent to IR. There are companies which serve that industry http://www.okamoto-glass.co.jp/eng/rd/rd0b.html Industry is mostly IR spectroscopy: http://www.okamoto-glass.co.jp/eng/rd/rd0b.html http://test-equipment.globalspec.com/Industrial-Directory/infrared_spectroscopy SEARCH TERMs: IR spectroscopy, tutorial IR absorption spectrum You should ignore the 'complicated part' - the position of peaks (used to identify the chemical compounds) and focuse on the techniques. Sepending on how serious you are, you should do more or less reading: on the topics of IR photography ://www.google.com/search?num=20&hs=TOb&hl=en&lr=lang_en&client=opera&rls=en&q=IR+photography&btnG=Search Hedgie | |
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Re: What substance can absorb Infrared light ?
From: probonopublico-ga on 03 Nov 2006 02:07 PST |
Does this help? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_absorbent_material |
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Re: What substance can absorb Infrared light ?
From: kemlo-ga on 03 Nov 2006 03:56 PST |
U will have to mount the camera outside the car for best effects |
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Re: What substance can absorb Infrared light ?
From: qed100-ga on 03 Nov 2006 08:10 PST |
Hello, Are the rear-window heaters in use when the problem occurs? If the resistance-wires have electric current running through them, then they'll emit large amounts of their own IR light, completely overwhelming the camera. Painting over the heater wires can't solve this sort of problem, because the paint itself will absorb the heat and emit IR. It needs to be mounted where there'll be no overwhelming sources of heat. The camera also has a very strict range of operating temperatures, and wherever it's mounted it must also be able to remain within that temperature range. I see in your picture that the camera is mounted several centimeters away from the glass, which allows the wires to be within the camera's wide-angle field of view. You could try rigging up something to hold the camera so that it's only one or two centimeters from the glass, exactly half way between two of the heater-wires. That way the wires may be entirely out of view. I see that at near the bottom of the window there's a region in which the last two wires are rather far apart. You could mount the camera to look directly through those two. |
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Re: What substance can absorb Infrared light ?
From: phkoech-ga on 03 Nov 2006 08:39 PST |
Thanks for your help ! Unfortunately, I cannot mount it outside the car because of water, risk of being stolen, and because it?s to complicated to mount on the rear door. Anyway, this position is the best position I found to see the whole area back to my car. The camera is very close to the windows (it doesn?t appear on the picture because of the angle of view), so it cannot be closer. I cannot chose the place of the camera because it is supposed to be fixed to the rear door of my car (against the plastic) and furthermore it should not mask the rear window visibility. |
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Re: What substance can absorb Infrared light ?
From: myoarin-ga on 04 Nov 2006 06:31 PST |
From what I understand from these two sites, IR imaging through glass is a real problem: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/ir.htm http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/cosmic_kids/learn_ir/index.html You have to scroll down a ways to find the relevant texts. I expect that you have a problem with the warmth of the the glass relative to the outside air at night - even without the defroster being on - plus the fact that the glass reflects the heat image of anything outside the car. |
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Re: What substance can absorb Infrared light ?
From: helpfulperson-ga on 10 Nov 2006 12:32 PST |
What wavelentgth IR is your camera? Without this knowledge an answe is not possible. |
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Re: What substance can absorb Infrared light ?
From: wolfkeeper-ga on 16 Nov 2006 00:55 PST |
The problem, as the others have commented is that the infrared light presumably tends to warm up the element, and warm things emit... infrared light. You could try painting over it with white paint, that would tend to reflect it away, but I'm not sure that that will work, it will tend to shine back into the camera. More promisingly, you could try the opposite- adding a mirror over the top of the heating element, angled so that it doesn't shine into the camera. Silver foil might be a good choice, but you need to insulate it from the elements. Still, it would be fiddly to arrange. |
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Re: What substance can absorb Infrared light ?
From: alamedo-ga on 21 Nov 2006 17:20 PST |
Instead of making the heaters to absorb the infrared light you could make the infrared light to reflect in other direction, instead of back to the camera. I think a mirror reflects infrared light the same way that visible light, so masking the heater with a tiny mirror (or maybe aluminium foil) that reflects the IR light downards may work. (Or you could remove (cut) the heater.) |
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