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Subject: Johnbenet murder case: What's the relevance of the pineapple? I didn't get it
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: johnfrommelbourne-ga
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Posted: 13 Nov 2006 03:29 PST
Expires: 13 Dec 2006 03:29 PST
Question ID: 782301
Like everyone else I was interested in the case and watched the
movie-documentary with Kris Kristofferson as well.  I thought I
understood most of what was put up as the arguments for both (a)the
unknown intruder and (b) the mother,  as the only possible guilty
parties.

 However one aspect of the evidence put forward that I did not quite
understand was that which dealt with the pineapple found in the girl's
stomach.

 Was it that the police were arguing that given there was no pineapple
served at Xmas Eve party that whole family went to,  then Johnbenet
must have consumed pinapple at home before going to bed which
conflicts directly with mother's story that Johnbenet was asleep when
family arrived home and was put straight to bed; the deduction being
that either (i)the mother lied about her going to bed directly as she
must have kept her awake and eating pineaple after she arrived home or
(ii)the Xmas Eve party host lied about not having pineaple available
for guests at the party  for reasons that remain unknown.
 I think I remember (in support of the pineapple at home theory) that
police found pineaple in the murdered girl's home, yes? no?

 Maybe I am  off the track in all instances above so could someone who
knows just briefly tell me what was it with the pineapple that so
interested the police.

 Also if you happen to know could you please advise the name of book
written by one of the investigating police officers. In that
particular book he argues that the mother did it, which is the book I
am after. I think another book was written by the Kris Kristofferson
character where he argues an intruder did it.

 Thanking you in anticipation of quick and concise report in next cupla hours.

 John From Melbourne
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Subject: Re: Johnbenet murder case: What's the relevance of the pineapple? I didn't ge
Answered By: umiat-ga on 13 Nov 2006 09:44 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hello, johnfrommelbourne-ga! 


The following references should provide you with a good overview of
the Pineapple Mystery!

This is still such a sad and mysterious case. It's hard to read about
it without getting a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.


"The Pineapple Evidence." JonBenetRamsey Case Encyclopedia
http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/Interpreting%20the%20Evidence#ThePineappleEvidence


LARRY KING LIVE - Interview with Lin Wood
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0211/12/lkl.00.html

 (Scroll down to portion of interview about the pineapple)


From "Wolf vs Ramsey Civil Case." (Scroll down to Page 07)
http://www.acandyrose.com/03312003carnes01-10.htm


=====


As mentioned in the comments below, the book you are referring to was
authored by Steve Thomas, assigned to the investigation of the Ramsey
case.

"JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation," by Steve Thomas 
http://www.amazon.ca/JonBenet-Inside-Ramsey-Murder-Investigation/dp/0312253265

"Let's answer the burning question straightaway: Steve Thomas believes
that Patsy Ramsey is responsible for the death of her daughter,
JonBenét, Christmas night 1996. As a key member of the team assigned
to investigate the murder of the 6-year-old girl, the former detective
knows the facts of the case as well as anyone, and the conclusion he
draws is convincing and clearly presented."


=====


 I hope this helps to answer your question!


Sincerely,

umiat


Search strategy

pineapple found in jon benet's stomach
jon benet investigator AND book AND believes patsy ramsey committed the murder

Clarification of Answer by umiat-ga on 13 Nov 2006 09:46 PST
Please excuse me for not excerpting the information pertaining to the
evidence. I just feel this poor girl and her family have had so much
of their lives thrown into the public eye that the gory details of the
crime scene should be left "behind" the links. I hope you understand!

umiat
johnfrommelbourne-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
No I did not need to know the gory details and what you provided  hit
the mark as far as what I was after. I read much of what was in the
links which explains things pretty well so thanks again Umiat.

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Subject: Re: Johnbenet murder case: What's the relevance of the pineapple? I didn't get it
From: probonopublico-ga on 13 Nov 2006 06:18 PST
 
Here's one, John, that may be of interest:

THE CASES THAT HAUNT US

John Douglas and Mark Olshaker: 	

America?s foremost expert on criminal profiling gives his analysis of
seven notorious murder cases. Jack the Ripper, Lizzie Borden, the
Lindbergh kidnapping, the JohnBenet Ramsey murder, the Zodiac killer,
the Boston strangler, the Black Dahlia, Lawrencia Bembenek. 8pp b/w
plates. Scribner New York 2000 UK
Subject: Re: Johnbenet murder case: What's the relevance of the pineapple? I didn't get it
From: probonopublico-ga on 13 Nov 2006 06:25 PST
 
Well, well .... the murderer has (allegedly) confessed, after all:

It was a 42-year-old American teacher who was arrested in August this
year in Thailand.

The source is the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, Broadcast: 17/08/2006

The plot thickens!

See:

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1717761.htm
Subject: Re: Johnbenet murder case: What's the relevance of the pineapple? I didn't get it
From: probonopublico-ga on 13 Nov 2006 06:41 PST
 
And here are 3 more books:

1: PERFECT MURDER, PERFECT TOWN 
SCHILLER, LAWRENCE 
Book Description: Mass Market Paperback. Book Condition: Good Reading
Copy Or Better. JONBENET RAMSAY MURDER. Bo

2: The Death of Innocence: The Untold Story of Jonbenet's Murder and
How Its Exploitation Compromised the Pursuit of Truth (ISBN:
0785268162)
Ramsey, John; Ramsey, Patsy; Ramsey, Patricia Ann 
Book Description: Thomas Nelson Inc, U.S.A., 2000. Hard Cover. Book
Condition: Good. Dust Jacket Condition: Good. 8vo - over 7¾" - 9¾"
tall. John and Patsy Ramsay, parents of the murdered child beauty
queen, Jon Benet Ramsay, tell of the battle they have fought to
reclaim their innocence since their daughter's death in their Boulder,
Colorado, home in 1996. Accused by the media and the public of taking
Jon Benet's life, John and Patsy speak out against their accusers,
shoot down rumors and common misunderstandings surrounding the case,
and provide information they believe could lead authorities to the
real killer.


3: JonBenet Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation (ISBN: 0312253265) 
Thomas, Steve, with Don Davis 
Book Description: St Martins NYC 2000, 2000. 356 Book Condition - F,
Jacket Condition - F. Hardcover.
Subject: Re: Johnbenet murder case: What's the relevance of the pineapple? I didn't get it
From: tr1234-ga on 13 Nov 2006 11:37 PST
 
> Well, well .... the murderer has (allegedly) confessed, after all:
>
> It was a 42-year-old American teacher who was arrested in August this
> year in Thailand.

Assumng you mean John Mark Karr, note that after he was arrested in
Thailand and brought to Colorado, prosecutors dropped their case
against him as Jon Benet Ramsey's killer after his DNA tests failed to
link him to the crime. (See:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/28/ramsey.arrest/index.html )
Subject: Re: Johnbenet murder case: What's the relevance of the pineapple? I didn't get it
From: stanmartin1952-ga on 13 Nov 2006 13:42 PST
 
I heard that they found unknown male dna at the scene, so that means
that the mother couldn't have done it.
Subject: Re: Johnbenet murder case: What's the relevance of the pineapple? I didn't get it
From: frde-ga on 15 Nov 2006 03:16 PST
 
We were discussing that on Straight Dope some time ago

We reckoned that John Mark Karr had AIDS and wanted to get back to the
US for treatment. He would have confessed to shooting JFK to get out
of a Thai jail.

Looking at the 'ransom note' I reckoned that it was written by an
adolescent male who knew the family quite well although they did not
notice him. I suspected that his sister/mother worked in a bank so he
knew the volume of currency. Also, from the garrotte, I reckoned that
he was not particularly strong.

The fingerprints on the pineapple bowl do not strike me as conclusive,
I would be surprized if the wife's prints were /not/ on the bowl, who
else unloaded the dishwasher ?  Also a 6 year old kid is quite capable
of raiding the fridge on her own.

IIRC the police made a great deal about the mother's odd behaviour,
which indicates to me that they were not particularly bright - people
behave oddly when they are in odd circumstances.

What I don't understand is that they found male DNA, yet from what
I've read, they did not do mass testing.

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