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Subject: Survey: Do you believe organized religion should be outlawed?
Category: Relationships and Society > Religion
Asked by: xadio-ga
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Posted: 16 Nov 2006 05:08 PST
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Question ID: 783201
Foreword: I am doing a speech on New Atheism for School. (,719... )
I want get some statistics. Thank you for your help. I wrote a program
that will randomly choose the best answer of this question. However,
to be eligible you must answer in the format requested below.

Question: Do you believe organized religion should be outlawed?

Request: Could you answer the following questions in the given format
when you respond.
- Yes or No to the given question.
- The country you are from or if you are in the US then (NE-North
East, SE-South East, MW-Midwest, W-West Coast).
- Your age.
- Your sex.
- Your race (NA if you rather not say).
- Your religion. Please say religion not denomination (ie. Baptist is
Christian, Methodist is Christian). If you are Atheist or Agnostic use
that respectively.
- Feel free to follow it up with your reason why, if you feel like it.*

<Y/N> <Country/US Region> <Age> <Sex> <Race/NA> <Religion/Atheist/Agnostic>

N SE 22 Caucasian Christian

*Please note if you put your reason why you agree to allow me to quote
you in my speech.

Thanks a bunch for the help!
There is no answer at this time.

Subject: Re: Survey: Do you believe organized religion should be outlawed?
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 16 Nov 2006 06:09 PST
Perhaps you should try, just a thought.
Subject: Re: Survey: Do you believe organized religion should be outlawed?
From: czh-ga on 16 Nov 2006 10:01 PST
Here is the link for the Wired article and lots of links reacting to it.

Subject: Re: Survey: Do you believe organized religion should be outlawed?
From: thaumaturge-ga on 16 Nov 2006 11:17 PST
OK, I'll bite. Although the temptation was strong to register as a
fundamentalist US christian and then to reject religion altogether.

Btw, your link doesn't work.

Short answer: M[aybe] UK 37 F None

Longer answer:

Should organised religion be outlawed?: Depends. Keep it out of
government, but it's always good for private lists to be maintained so
we know whom to fear. But seriously, it annoys me when anyone attempts
to impose a belief system on me, so I will extend the same courtesy to
the misguided religious ones and allow them to wallow in their
delusions in private.

Race: Only if I win.

Religion: Well, atheism is by definition not a religion. Although
there are some atheists who treat it as such, which defeats the
purpose in my opinion.

Regarding your survey in general, I am (believe me) no statistician,
but it occurs to me that responses to a question in such a format are
not statistically valid.

Having said that, good luck!
Subject: Re: Survey: Do you believe organized religion should be outlawed?
From: myoarin-ga on 17 Nov 2006 03:43 PST
If there is any discussion following your speech, perhaps you should
have this quotation handy:

   " Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a
heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation.
It is the opium of the people."
        Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right
        German economist & Communist political philosopher (1818 - 1883)

Since the US Constitution/Bill of Rights and the UN and EU Charters on
Human Rights protect freedom of religion and the right of free speech,
outlawing organized religion would go counter to some very basic and
recognized principles.  What people believe and think cannot be
The law may, of course, proscribe actions and inciting actions that
impinge on the rights of other persons, but this is  - should be - 
against individuals:  a person who for his religious beliefs actually
does something to someone else; a relgious leader who preaches to his
followers to do such.
Subject: Re: Survey: Do you believe organized religion should be outlawed?
From: frde-ga on 17 Nov 2006 04:17 PST
This really annoys me, my old Politics tutor (who is now highly
illustrious - he even has a chair to sit on) assured us that Marx said

  'Religion is the /opiate/ of the people'

I really don't mind what KM said, apart from the fact that I've
'corrected' a lot of people - potentially embarrassing ...

I am all for keeping religion right out of any form of government.
Subject: Re: Survey: Do you believe organized religion should be outlawed?
From: myoarin-ga on 17 Nov 2006 05:37 PST
Hi Frde,
Yes, that is the common misquotation, as I learned searching for it  -
no change in meaning.  Here is Wikipedia's article:

Cheers, Myo
Subject: Re: Survey: Do you believe organized religion should be outlawed?
From: pugwashjw65-ga on 17 Nov 2006 22:07 PST
IT WILL BE... by Almighty God himself.
(Revelation 18:2) And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: ?She
has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a
dwelling place of demons and a lurking place of every unclean
exhalation and a lurking place of every unclean and hated bird!

Who is Babylon?
This helps identify 'her'.
(Revelation 18:3) For because of the wine of the anger of her
fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the
earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of
the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.?
The "Kings of the Earth" are governments. The "travelling merchants"
is/are big business.
So "Babylon" must be Organised Religion".
And includes any religion that is involved in politics.
And Verse 4 issues a warning to ordinary people that have been mis-lead by O.R.
(Revelation 18:4) And I heard another voice out of heaven say: ?Get
out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her
sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues.

Just recently, the Watchtower Society [ Jehovah's Witnesses] issued a
small pamphlet with the same warning. The pamphlet was distributed to
every household in 235 lands that would accept it.

What is false religion; Are you distressed about crimes committed in
the name of false religion? Do the warfare, terrorism and corruption
perpetrated by those who claim to serve God offend your sense of
justice? Why does religion seem to be at the root of so many problems?
The fault lies, not with all religions, but with FALSE religion. A
widely respected religious figure, Jesus Christ, indicated that false
religion produces bad works, just as a ? rotten tree produces
worthless fruit?. [Matthew 7;15-17] What fruit does false religion
# Meddles in war and politics. ?Across Asia and beyond? says the
journal Asiaweek, ? power hungry leaders are cynically manipulating
people?s religious sentiments for their own needs.? As a result, the
journal warns, ?the world threatens to sink into madness.? A prominent
religious leader in the United States declared ; You?ve got to kill
the terrorists before the killing stops?. His solution? ?Blow them all
away in the name of the Lord?. By contrast, the Bible says; ?If anyone
makes the statement; ? I love God,? and yet is hating his brother, he
is a liar.? [1John  4;20] Jesus  even said ; Continue to love your
enemies.? [ Matthew 5;44] How many religions can you think of whose
members engage in war?

Most religions teach that the soul or spirit is some invisible part of
a human mthat survives death of the physical body. By means of this
teaching, many of these religions exploit their members, charging
money to pray for departed souls. However, the Bible teaches a
different doctrine. ?The soul that is sinning- it itself will die.? [
Ezekiel 18;4] ? The living are conscious that they will die; but as
for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.? [Ecclesiastes
9;5] Jesus taught that the dead will be resurrected- an unnecessary
action if humans had an immortal soul. [John 11;11-25] Does your
religion teach that the soul does not die?
In western lands, church groups ordain gay and lesbian members of the
clergy and urge governments to recognize same sex marriages. Even
churches that condemn immorality have tolerated religious leaders who
have sexually abused children. What, though, does the Bible teach? It
plainly states; ? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor
idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor
men who lie with men?will inherit God?s Kingdom.? [ 1 Corinthians 6;
9,10] Do you know of religions that condone immoral sex?
 What does the future hold for religions that produce rotten fruit?
Jesus warned; Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and
thrown into the fire.? [ Matthew 7;19] Yes, false religion will be
chopped down and destroyed! But how and when will this happen? A
prophetic vision recorded in the Bible book of Revelation, chapters 17
and 18, provides the answer.

Picture the scene. A harlot is sitting on the back of a fearsome
beast. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. [ Revelation 17;1-4]
Whom does the harlot represent? She exert influence ?over the Kings of
the earth.? She dresses in purple, uses incense, and is exceedingly
wealthy. In addition, by means of her spiritistic practice, ?all the
nations are misled?, [Revelation 17;18?18;2,13,23] The Bible helps us
to see that this harlot is a worldwide religious entity. She depicts,
not any one religion, but all religions that produce rotten fruit.
  The beast that the harlot rides pictures the world?s political
powers.* [Revelation 17;10-13] False religion straddles the back of
this political beast, attempting to influence its decisions and to
control its direction.
  Soon, though, an amazing event will take place. ?The ten horns that
you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and make her
devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will
completely burn her with fire?. [Revelation 17;16] In a sudden
shocking move, the world?s political powers will turn on false
religion and completely destroy her! What will prompt this action? The
Bible book of Revelation answers; God put it into their hearts to
carry out HIS thought? [Revelation 17;17] Yes, God will call false
religion to account for all the despicable acts she has committed in
his name. In a stroke of perfect justice, he will use her political
paramours as his instrument of execution.
 What must you do if you do not want to share the fate of false
religion? ? Get out of her, my people,? urges God?s messenger.
[Revelation 18;4] Indeed, now is the time to flee from false religion!
But to where can you flee? Not into atheism, since its future is also
bleak. [ 2 Thessalonians 1; 6-9] The only haven is within true
religion. How can you identify true religion?
*for a detailed explanation of this subject, see the book
REVELATION-ITS GRAND CLIMAX AT HAND! Published by Jehovah?s Witnesses.

What good fruit should true religion produce? ? Matthew 7;17.

#PRACICES LOVE; True worshippers are no part of the world. Are not
divided by race or culture. And display love among	themselves John
13;;35?17;16?.Acts 10;34,35] Rather than killing one another, they are
willing to die for one another. 1 John 3;16.
#TRUST GOD?S WORD; Instead of teaching ?tradition? and ?Commands of
men as doctrines?, true religion bases its doctrine on God?s word, the
Bible. [ Matthew 15;6-9] Why? Because ? All scripture is inspired of
God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things
straight?. ? 2 Timothy 3;16
True religion trains husbands to ?love their wives as their own
bodies,? helps wives to develop ?deep respect for their husbands,? and
teaches children to ?be obedient to their parents,? [ Ephesians
5;28,33?6;1] In addition, those entrusted with positions of authority
must have exemplary morals.-1 timothy 3; 1-10.
Does any religion meet these standards? The book HOLOCAUST POLITICS,
published in 2001, says; If more people practiced versions of what the
Jehovah?s Witnesses preach and practice, the Holocaust could have been
prevented and genocide would scourge the world no more.

Indeed, in 235 lands, Jehovah?s Witnesses do not just preach the
Bible?s moral standards- they live by them. We urge you to ask
Jehovah?s Witnesses to help you learn what God requires of you so that
you can worship him acceptably. Now is the time to act. Do not delay.
The end if false religion is near- Zephaniah 2; 2,3.

It is clear to see WHY they/it should be banned.
Subject: Re: Survey: Do you believe organized religion should be outlawed?
From: frde-ga on 18 Nov 2006 01:35 PST
Thanks MyOarin

How embarrassing 
- the difference between Opium and Opiate is pretty significant to me

One is a specific drug, and the other describes functionality.
Subject: Re: Survey: Do you believe organized religion should be outlawed?
From: myoarin-ga on 18 Nov 2006 04:20 PST
Hi Frde,

Personally, I entirely agree that "opiate" is the better translation
of what Marx wrote in German, and entirely correct, despite that

"Das religiöse Elend ist in einem der Ausdruck des wirklichen Elendes
und in einem die Protestation gegen, das wirkliche Elend. Die Religion
ist der Seufzer der bedrängten Kreatur, das Gemüt einer herzlosen
Welt, wie sie der Geist geistloser Zustände ist. Sie ist das Opium des

I think Marx was using the word in the more general sense, which
"opiate" implies  - any narcotic drug or the functionality.  I have
also always heard "opiate" in the quotation and shall still prefer and
use it.

Scriptor-ga could probably confirm that in German "Opiat" was in
Marx's day not in usage outside the scientific community  - if there.

Cheers, Myo
Subject: Re: Survey: Do you believe organized religion should be outlawed?
From: frde-ga on 20 Nov 2006 01:24 PST
Thanks MyOarIn

The 'Opium' version is a bit Samuel Taylor Coleridge-ish, if Scriptor
does not pop up I'll post a question for him.

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