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Chinese ideograms versus the roman alphabet
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: knowitall22-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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26 Nov 2006 11:37 PST
Expires: 26 Dec 2006 11:37 PST Question ID: 785713 |
Chinese ideograms are, I suspect, a mystery to most non-Asians. They can be perceived as beautiful or out of place in the modern world. Being so complex, it is difficult to comprehend how they are learned by a billion people. So, merely out of curiosity, which is more efficient, manually writing English in the roman alphabet or writing Chinese ideograms? By that I mean for example, copying a simple, short paragraph (say 300 English words) by handwriting, using the time required as a benchmark. In addition, not to be done by experts in speed writing of either form, but by average persons. |
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Re: Chinese ideograms versus the roman alphabet
Answered By: pinkfreud-ga on 26 Nov 2006 20:26 PST Rated: |
K22, Thanks for accepting my findings as your official answer! I've reposted the links below. This doesn't exactly answer the question, but it may be of interest: Taipei Times: Benefits of written Chinese http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2006/06/23/2003315163 This is more on target, I think: "In Chapter 1 'The Chinese Written Language'of Tao: The Watercourse Way, Alan Watts talks about how there are fewer strokes in many Chinese words than there are in their English equivalent: ?our customary bafflement by Chinese ideograms is really a matter of uninformed prejudice. They are supposed to be outlandish, weird, devious, and as tricky as 'he mysterious East.'Although the K?ang-hsi dictionary of +1716 lists about 40,000 ideograms, a reasonably literate person needs about 5,000, and a comparably literate Wetserner would know quite that many words of his own language. The difficulty of recognizing and identifying ideograms is surely no greater than with such aother complex patterns as the various kinds of flowers, plants, butterflies, trees, and wild animals. In other words, Chinese is simpler than it looks, and may, in general, be both written and read more rapidly than English. The English MAN requires ten strokes of the pen, whereas the Chinese ? requires but two. TREE needs thirteen, but ? only four. Water is sixteen, but ? is five. Mountain is eighteen, but ? is three..." Sinosplice: Chinese Character Stroke Stats http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2006/05/12/chinese-character-stroke-stats My Google search strategy: Google Web Search: chinese ideograms faster OR "more efficient" english ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=chinese+ideograms+faster+OR+%22more+efficient%22+english Best, Pink |
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Re: Chinese ideograms versus the roman alphabet
From: pinkfreud-ga on 26 Nov 2006 11:52 PST |
This doesn't exactly answer the question, but it may be of interest: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2006/06/23/2003315163 This is more on target, I think: "In Chapter 1 'The Chinese Written Language'of Tao: The Watercourse Way, Alan Watts talks about how there are fewer strokes in many Chinese words than there are in their English equivalent: ?our customary bafflement by Chinese ideograms is really a matter of uninformed prejudice. They are supposed to be outlandish, weird, devious, and as tricky as 'he mysterious East.'Although the K?ang-hsi dictionary of +1716 lists about 40,000 ideograms, a reasonably literate person needs about 5,000, and a comparably literate Wetserner would know quite that many words of his own language. The difficulty of recognizing and identifying ideograms is surely no greater than with such aother complex patterns as the various kinds of flowers, plants, butterflies, trees, and wild animals. In other words, Chinese is simpler than it looks, and may, in general, be both written and read more rapidly than English. The English MAN requires ten strokes of the pen, whereas the Chinese ? requires but two. TREE needs thirteen, but ? only four. Water is sixteen, but ? is five. Mountain is eighteen, but ? is three..." http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2006/05/12/chinese-character-stroke-stats |
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Re: Chinese ideograms versus the roman alphabet
From: secret901-ga on 26 Nov 2006 17:50 PST |
For a different view, see http://www.pinyin.info. Several languages that formerly employed Chinese writing have abandoned it in favor of a more suitable writing system. The Vietnamese language abolished it a century ago to use the Latin alphabet, while the Korean language have minimized Hanja usage in favor of the indigenous Hangul. secret901-ga |
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Re: Chinese ideograms versus the roman alphabet
From: secret901-ga on 26 Nov 2006 18:04 PST |
You're highly recommended to read "The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy" by Sinologist John DeFrancis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chinese_Language:_Fact_and_Fantasy). A sample chapter is shown here: http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/ideographic_myth.html. It goes a long way to demystify the mystique of the Chinese writing system. secret901-ga |
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Re: Chinese ideograms versus the roman alphabet
From: knowitall22-ga on 26 Nov 2006 20:01 PST |
Pink: Post your comment as an answer. ( Previous time for some unknown reason I was unable to pay you...try again ) K22/monroe |
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Re: Chinese ideograms versus the roman alphabet
From: pinkfreud-ga on 27 Nov 2006 10:41 PST |
Thank you very much for the five stars and the generous tip! ~Pink |
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Re: Chinese ideograms versus the roman alphabet
From: minijumbofly-ga on 28 Nov 2006 06:09 PST |
In every day use, the chinese writings will take longer even in the simplified version by the mainland chinese. But often, the total word count will be less in ideograms. Also, when it comes to literature, a few ideograms goes a long way. Just take a simple chinese poem and translate it and you'll see what I mean. |
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Re: Chinese ideograms versus the roman alphabet
From: frde-ga on 29 Nov 2006 02:49 PST |
My uncle had a Chinese typewriter. The characters were in a large tray, the 'hammer' picked up one character and used it once, then put it back in its slot. Next to the typewriter was a pile of trays containing further characters. I understand that the advantage of ideograms is that a Mandarin speaker can read something written by a Cantonese speaker, but they can not understand each others speech. I found it quite amusing that many Singaporese have to communicate in 'Singlish'. |
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