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Subject: UNIX-using Companies in Silicon Valley
Category: Computers > Operating Systems
Asked by: stevegt-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 01 May 2002 00:03 PDT
Expires: 31 May 2002 13:00 PDT
Question ID: 8102
Approximately how many companies in the Silicon Valley area have 20 or
more UNIX (AIX, Solaris, Linux, etc.) machines?
 
State your definition of "Silicon Valley", or use the area within a
30-mile radius of San Jose, CA.  Use at least two methods to estimate
this, and show sources. 

Clarification of Question by stevegt-ga on 01 May 2002 12:23 PDT
Hints: 
 
Ratios of http server types netwide: 
 
 <a href="http://netcraft.com/survey/">http://netcraft.com/survey/</a> 
 
Ratios of desktop operating systems netwide: 
 
 <a href="://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html">://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html</a> 
 
What Percentage of the Internet is in Silicon Valley? 
 
 <a href="https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&amp;id=8199">https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&amp;id=8199</a> 
 
What percentage of Silicon Valley companies have more than 20 employees? 
 
 <a href="https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&amp;id=8200">https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&amp;id=8200</a> 

Clarification of Question by stevegt-ga on 01 May 2002 15:39 PDT
Operating system counter:

	http://www.leb.net/hzo/ioscount/

Clarification of Question by stevegt-ga on 01 May 2002 16:48 PDT
Possible procedure for determining an answer:

	https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=9036
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Subject: Re: UNIX-using Companies in Silicon Valley
Answered By: remoran-ga on 25 May 2002 08:15 PDT
 
I will give this a shot. The number of companies using Unix in Silicon
Valley with 20 or more uxix computers is approximately 91. The firs
place I went to was http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/special_packages/silicon_valley_150/3067391.htm
as this gives a listing of 150 of the largest corporations that do
business in the valley. After that, I went to
http://www.leb.net/hzo/ioscount/data/r.9904.txt to get a listing of
Opersating system usage circa 1999 on the net. Stats have not changed
that much to 2002. (Linux now has 27% of the Server Market vs 28.5 +-
2.8 as shown bu the 99 Ripe.edu list.) Going from there, the entire
unix percentage is 62.9. Multiply the 150 largest comapnies by that
figure and the count comes to 94. I think this is valid because 20
unix boxes (or 20 boxes of Windows for that matter) indicates a fairly
sizeable company and the 150 in the list are more than just that.
Also, because systems are networked and connected to the net, this
figure seems to fit but one cannot be completely certain about this.

Also, Silicon Valley is not the rest of the US regarding operating
system usage. They tend to be cutting edge, (Linux, BSDUnixt etc.)
obviously, so this count may be low. Good question to ask. HTH

Bob

Request for Answer Clarification by stevegt-ga on 11 Jun 2002 16:02 PDT
The SV150 is interesting -- that should be useful in other ways.  But
in https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=8200 we
found that there are 8,646 companies in Silicon Valley which have 20
or more employees.  Using the SV150 to indicate that there are "150
big companies" in the valley is rather coarse.  First we'd need to
define "big".

Here are more numbers from the GA article mentioned above:

Total # of businesses:    48,996 
Businesses with  
  0-4 employees:          26,908 
  5-9 employees:           7,833 
  10-19 employees:         5,609 
  20-49 employees:         4,860 
  50-99 employees:         2,051 
  100-249 employees:       1,178 
  250-499 employees:         329 
  500-999 employees:         139 
  1000+ employees:            89 

We shouldn't assume that there is a 1:1 ratio between headcount and
host count.  But some 20 person companies might have 80 machines (web
farms, chip layout clusters), while 80 person companies might have 20
machines (loading dock workers, delivery drivers).  So it might be
safe to assume that these factors balance out, and assume a 1:1 ratio
anyway, lacking better information.

The 62.9% RIPE ratio doesn't tell us much about what's on people's
desktops behind firewalls in commercial enterprises.  I've posted
https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=24434 to try
to find a better ratio -- I expect it's closer to 10%.

We shouldn't assume that 10% of companies above 20 employees have 20
or more UNIX machines.  But we might be able to assume that a
20-person company might only have 2 UNIX machines, while a 200-person
company might have 20.  This approach seems safe, lacking better data.

Interpolating from the above table, there seem to be 950 companies
with 200 or more employees.  If we tentatively assume a 1:1 ratio of
headcount to machines, and if 10% is the right ratio of UNIX/non-UNIX
machines, and if it's safe to assume that a 200-person company is
likely to have 20 or more UNIX machines, then it would appear that
there are approximately 950 companies in Silicon Valley with 20 or
more UNIX machines.

Since this is an order of magnitude larger than the answer you gave
me, I'm throwing it back at you -- what do you think?  Anything to
add?  Can you see any holes in my reasoning other than those
assumptions I've already pointed out?

Thanks,

Steve

Clarification of Answer by remoran-ga on 12 Jun 2002 05:42 PDT
Hi Steve, 

Your reasoning is terrific. The only thing to be cautious on is the
percentage of the number of companies with 200 or more employees. Just
to make sure your 1.9% percentage is accurate, I went to
www.bizstats.com (a great site of business info) to check things out.
In http://www.bizstats.com/bizsizes98.htm , the ratio of companies, in
1998, making $1,000,000 and above out of the total number of companies
in the US - (total companies 24113, companies making a million or
more, 1,078.4)comes to 4.4%. With a 200 person company, I suspect the
percentage would come in line with your 1.9% figure because those
companies would almost certainly have annual revenues considerably
greater than 1 million, thus generating a ratio  (Total Silicon Valley
companies - 48996, 950 companies - 200 employees, percentage - 1.9%.)
that corresponds with what you have.

I think you have your numbers. In the future, I do believe the UNIX
percentages will go up  due to the increased popularty of Linux. Open
source is really taking hold and I, for one, am very glad it

is happening.

Bob
Comments  
Subject: Re: UNIX-using Companies in Silicon Valley
From: quester-ga on 01 May 2002 06:13 PDT
 
For $50 you are not near the price of what this information is worth
-- in both effort/time as well as value.  People kill for this info.
Subject: Re: UNIX-using Companies in Silicon Valley
From: nirelan-ga on 01 May 2002 06:59 PDT
 
I am not signed up to be a reacher yet but i can answer your question.
http://www.siliconvalley-usa.com/ provides useful information it tells
what companies are in the valley and what they do.
Im still looking for an exact number but almost all of the tech
companies listed on that site have 20 linux boxes.
Subject: Re: UNIX-using Companies in Silicon Valley
From: stevegt-ga on 01 May 2002 16:03 PDT
 
quester: Thanks for the feedback, but you posted your objection before
I started adding "hints".  I'm interested in an answer to this
question, and am willing to work for it myself, in a collaborative
effort.  And $50 is the maximum Google Answers lets a questioner
offer.

I have already broken out two subsidiary questions, mentioned in my
"hints", which are easier to answer and will help lead to an answer
for this one.  The total offered for these three questions was $90. 
One of those has already been answered as of this writing -- the
researcher picked up $20 for that.  Someone quick enough could pick up
both the other $20 question still out there, as well as the $50 here
-- a total of $70 still outstanding.

In the interests of making Google Answers a raging success for all of
us, could you encourage rather than discourage questioners?  For
instance, do you (or anyone else) see any other questions that might
be broken out to simplify this problem?  I'd be glad to post and
pay...
Subject: Re: UNIX-using Companies in Silicon Valley
From: stevegt-ga on 01 May 2002 16:51 PDT
 
...and in the interest of putting my money where my mouth is, I've
added that last paragraph as a $10 question of its own -- $80 total
outstanding right now.  Go get it:

How to determine number of UNIX-using companies in Silicon Valley

	https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=9036

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