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google indexing
Category: Computers > Algorithms Asked by: londonlinks-ga List Price: $4.00 |
Posted:
01 May 2002 08:25 PDT
Expires: 08 May 2002 08:25 PDT Question ID: 8147 |
For some reason the url www.ugvendors.com/register.htm shows up on the first page of google when searching for "queen mother". The link is dead, but on furher investigtion if one looks at the cached page for www.queenmother.org it says www.ugvendors.com is the cached page, although www.ugvendors.com is not connected with www.queenmother.org in any way and never has been. Thr url www.ugvendors.com seems to have replaced the url for www.queenmother.org and this could only be because queenmother.org moved it's hosting to another server and during the DNS update, google has accidentally gone to www.queenmother.org and found a new website at that old ip address. Can the current correct page for the google cache of www.queenmother.org be shown? |
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Re: google indexing
Answered By: janina-ga on 01 May 2002 13:22 PDT |
Google updates its index regularly, so updated or outdated link submissions are not necessary. Most likely, Google will update this during its next crawl. |
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Re: google indexing
From: jesseruderman-ga on 02 May 2002 03:38 PDT |
At ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=www.queenmother.org, the actual web page link points to http://www.ugvendors.com/Register.htm. The backlink and cache links are both for http://www.ugvendors.com/Register.htm but the "pages that contain the term" link uses www.queenmother.org. http://www.ugvendors.com/register.htm exists but Register.htm does not. The two don't seem to be hosted at the same site: www.queenmother.org is 204.188.156.77, a dedicated ip address hosted by www.infoquest.com (searched by ip address at arin.net). www.ugvendors.com is hosted by www.godaddy.com. A Google search for link:www.ugvendors.com/register.htm doesn't turn up much. A search for link:www.ugvendors.com/Register.htm includes several sites that link to www.queenmother.org but also a lot of sites that don't seem to link to ugvendors.com *or* queenmother.org. You've got me stumped :) |
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Re: google indexing
From: jesseruderman-ga on 02 May 2002 04:13 PDT |
queenmother.org is *registered* through GoDaddy: http://www.firevision.co.uk/cgi-bin/whois.pl?domain=queenmother&tld=.org . GoDaddy is both the host and the registrar for ugvendors.com. It's possible that after queenmother.org was registered but before any pages were created for it (and before infoquest hosted it), queenmother.org redirected to http://63.241.136.201/index.html, GoDaddy's page-not-found page. I thought that maybe Google was treating all links redirecting to http://63.241.136.201/index.html as links to Register.htm, but many sites listed as linking to Register.htm don't seem to link to anything that redirects to http://63.241.136.201/index.html. (I used a "linked pages" bookmarklet to check all the links from several pages that Google listed as linking to Register.htm, crashing my computer once in the process.. doh!) So I found a connection between ugvendors and queenmother. Google confuses queenmother with a url on ugvendors that redirects to GoDaddy's 404 page, but I don't know why Google is confused. |
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Re: google indexing
From: jesseruderman-ga on 02 May 2002 04:48 PDT |
Several of the sites listed on a search for http://www.ugvendors.com/Register.htm link to www.webgator.com, which redirects to http://www.commercialcreditor.com/, which is a GoDaddy site. However, commercialcreditor is not a 404 (at least not today). Interesting side note: ://www.google.com/search?btnG=&q=commercialcreditor.com links to webgator.com rather than commercialcreditor.com. Reading the GoDaddy page-not-found page again, I noticed this: "This page may not exist due to the following reasons: 1. You are the owner of this web site and you have not uploaded <----- 2. The URL that you have entered in your browser is incorrect. 3. The Link that you clicked on incorrectly points to this page." So it's not just possible, but likely that the url www.queenmother.com once redirected to that error page. I think this all boils down to: Google assumes that redirects are permanent, which is a dangerous assumption if you're a search engine. Google assumes that redirects are permanent even if the redirected-to page is conceptually* a page-not-found page, and even if the redirecting URL suddenly has twice as many external pages linking to it than it did before. When deciding which URL to list as the "real" URL when redirection occurs, Google picks a page at random from the sites that redirect, rather than taking the redirected-to site as the "real" one. * http://63.241.136.201/index.html does NOT claim to be a 404 page like it should. Instead, it sends "200 OK" when requested, making it seem to search engines and browsers like an ordinary page. http://webtools.mozilla.org/web-sniffer/view.cgi?url=http%3A//63.241.136.201/index.html |
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Re: google indexing
From: londonlinks-ga on 03 May 2002 10:21 PDT |
Hi - the reason why google shows a page not found in the seventh postion on its results page for "queen mother" is that www.queenmother.org used to be in that position a few weeks ago. This means that Google must have initially spidered the page correctly, because it was indexed in the results, but then www.queenmother.org moved from its hosting company godaddy to infoquest and during this update of DNS entries, google somehow cached the "page not found" at www.queenmother.org, since this domain was still being resolved to the old ip address on godaddy's server, which by then had been allocated to another company. |
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Re: google indexing
From: smile-ga on 22 May 2002 06:11 PDT |
The page http://www.queenmother.org/ works now. |
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Re: google indexing
From: almir_kazazic-ga on 08 Jul 2002 07:30 PDT |
there was a similar problem with IP adresses , after we changed our provider as KPN-Qwest went bankrupt , we got new ip adresses because of that we was not wisited from google-bot for weeks, because google obviously cache IP with dns names, does anyone knows how often are this IP adresses updated and is ther a way of comunicating this to google |
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