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Subject: Internet kiosks prior to July 27, 1995
Category: Computers > Internet
Asked by: tdaw-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 01 May 2002 08:32 PDT
Expires: 08 May 2002 08:32 PDT
Question ID: 8148
Is there a description published prior to July 27 1995 of an internet
kiosk that consists of:
A self-service computer, including:
a monitor having a display screen;
a microprocessor coupled to the monitor for controlling what is
displayed on the screen;
browser software executable on the microprocessor for accessing and
displaying documents in response to user input, the graphical user
interface (GUI) of the browser software comprising controls for the
browser software and a document viewing area; and
at least one image positioned for display on the screen so as to mask
the controls for the browser software, the image thus rendering the
controls inaccessible to a user of the self-service computer to resist
tampering with the browser software.

This is related to determining the validity of Patent 5,761,071 so a
detailed and complete answer would be valued. Material already noted
or linked to on http://www.kiosks.org/history/ or
http://www.kiosks.org/archives.html or
http://www.netshift.com/downloads/w3conf.doc is already known and is
not what I am looking for.
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Subject: Re: Internet kiosks prior to July 27, 1995
From: koz-ga on 01 May 2002 13:24 PDT
 
A year ago, BountyQuest (http://www.bountyquest.com) offered
USD$10,000 to anyone that could prove this exact same prior art.  The
prize went unclaimed.

This is going to be a very hard one to answer.  If you do find
something, maybe you should contact BQ as well and see if you can get
some extra cash from it (unless the asker is thinking the exact same
thing)

http://www.bountyquest.com/bounties/displayBounty.php?bountyName=1051
Subject: Re: Internet kiosks prior to July 27, 1995
From: tdaw-ga on 01 May 2002 14:00 PDT
 
Bountyquest have recently confirmed that there was a winner of this
bounty and that the reward was awarded. But they haven't got
permission of the poster to make it public - so there may be an answer
out there! ( Bountyquest used the filing date of the patent in 1996
rather than the 1995 one I have used which is a clear year prefiling.)
So it is probably not worth asking Bounty quest for extra cash, and
the maximum I can offer on this system is $50!!

There were kiosks out there in 1995 see for instance one that is
referenced from the kiosks.org site ( and thus already excluded from
this question.
http://informatics.cpmc.columbia.edu/appldinf/kioskhlp.html What I am
wondering is if there are any other examples.
Subject: Re: Internet kiosks prior to July 27, 1995
From: zo-ga on 03 May 2002 17:38 PDT
 
I believe it must have been in 1995 I was working for a UK company
named ICL (www.icl.com, now Fujitsu) and I knew of several people
within the company who were employed on designing and manufacturing
"kiosks." At that time I had only a hazy idea of what those actually
were, however the following year 1996 (I think it was) I bought an
item at a store in Reading, UK, and used one of their ICL kiosks to
select and pay for my purchase. The store chain was Argos
(www.argos.co.uk) So I think ICL must have started this kiosk project
prior to 27 July 1995.

The kiosk I used was shaped kind of like an arcade video game and
matches your description, except that its function was purely to allow
people to buy stuff, not to provide internet access. A credit card
reader was also fitted. I occasionally still shop at Argos but do not
seem to see these kiosks any more so I don't know what the story was
with them.
Subject: Re: Internet kiosks prior to July 27, 1995
From: lakeland-ga on 04 May 2002 15:33 PDT
 
Hi, IANAL so this may or may not fit your description.  At least, the
key thing from your description seems to be a picture over the browser
controls which wasn't what was used here.

The first Kiosk I was involved with was in early 1994.  It was set up
for the Wellington City Council in New Zealand by smrf (Michael
Robionson), so if it sounds like it might match I'm sure you could use
Google to find him.

Anyway, the machine was running on intel hardware (486 IIRC) with
NetBSD as the operating system and it had NCSA Mosaic as the browser. 
Using xrdb, Mosaic was set to display with the controls above the top
of the screen.  To prevent the user accessing the controls, the window
manager used (twm?) was set to have no functions for moving the
window.

So, probably different to what you're looking for :-)

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