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Subject: Premium Rate Telephone charge - Web Address??
Category: Computers > Internet
Asked by: jerrydp-ga
List Price: $2.50
Posted: 19 Oct 2002 16:05 PDT
Expires: 18 Nov 2002 15:05 PST
Question ID: 85272
What web site address is accessed from premium Rate telephone number
UK (+44) 0909 9675625
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Subject: Re: Premium Rate Telephone charge - Web Address??
From: aceresearcher-ga on 19 Oct 2002 23:04 PDT
 
My UK Reverse Phone Number Lookup source does not give any listing for
this number. However, if this phone number appears on your bill, your
Long Distance provider will be able to tell you the name the number
belongs to; if it's a business, they should be able to give you
address and phone number information as well (especially if you have
huge charges on your bill associated with this number).

Hope this information is of assistance to you!
Subject: Re: Premium Rate Telephone charge - Web Address??
From: iaint-ga on 20 Oct 2002 01:43 PDT
 
According to OFTEL (http://www.oftel.gov.uk) the 0909 prefix is
reserved for premium rate lines of a sexual nature:

"In order to provide service meaning to callers, premium rate sexual
entertainment services, regardless of the charge for the content,
product or service, shall only be promoted and accessed using 0909 and
no other service meaning shall be given to 0909. Sexual entertainment
services are entertainment services of a clearly sexual nature, or any
services for which the associated promotional material is of a clearly
sexual nature, or indicates directly, or implies, that the service is
of a sexual nature."
http://www.oftel.gov.uk/publications/numbering/2002/cons0302.htm
section A7.8

At first I thought your question "What web site address is accessed"
from that number was slightly confused. However a little more research
has revealed that a number of adult websites are now using
premium-rate telephone numbers to charge for Pay-as-you-View content
on the internet so I suspect this is what you are referring to.

At the end of the day I think aceresearcher's advice is sound. If
calls to this number have appeared on your telephone bill
unexpectedly, your first course of action should be to contact your
service provider and ask them for the details. If you fail to get any
satisfactory reply from them you can take the matter further by
contacting OFTEL (website address as above) and asking them to
investigate. However the porn industry is one in which a few companies
run multiple services, so although you may be able to find out the
details of the company who owns that number, I suspect that finding
exactly which of their (possibly hundreds of) websites it is
associated with could be somewhat harder.

Regards
iaint-ga
Subject: Re: Premium Rate Telephone charge - Web Address??
From: owain-ga on 20 Oct 2002 05:27 PDT
 
It is likely that a dialler program has been loaded on to your PC
which is causing the premium-rate number to be called.

You can take action against the web site operators if he can find them
and if they are in the EU.

You can also complain to OFTEL who can get the premium line suspended
and the
telco who owns that number will not pay out to the website owner.

The problem is that BT will still insist on payment as the number was
called.

There is heavy regulation by ICSTIS of internet diallers on UK premium
numbers.  The dialler must warn of the cost of the call per minute
before
dialling starts and show the incrementing cost on screen the duration
of
the call.  Only the premium operator's own web site must be accessible
via
the dialler and the maximum call cost is £20 when the dialler should
disconnect.  

Look at page 23 of the ICSTIS code of practice:

http://www.icstis.org/icstis2002/pdf/Code.pdf

and online service Guideline 11:

http://www.icstis.org/icstis2002/pdf/Guideline%2011.pdf

Don't delete the diallers, but look carefully at them to see whether
they
meet all these conditions, and for any references to where they came
from
and the numbers they are dialling, which should now be obvious from
the
phone bills. 

You still need to issue a formal complaint via ICSTIS to find the
owner of
the premium number. if rules are being broken the numbers will be
closed
down and owners fined. You can find the telecom operator from:

http://www.magsys.co.uk/telecom/codelook.asp

(The above extracted from the thread "Redress if duped into PC
dialling premium rate numbers?" on the uk.telecom newsgroup, August
2002.)

Owain
Subject: Re: Premium Rate Telephone charge - Web Address??
From: lot-ga on 20 Oct 2002 15:18 PDT
 
Hello,
The phone number is simply a premium rate internet access number, the
physical website or webpage it goes to is controlled via the dialer
software (downloaded to a PC). As the number is not a direct
connection to a webpage, the configuration of the dialer can change
the web page view. The phone number may be shared for different uses
to access different areas (depending which dialer you have).

The premium number operates in much the same way as your 0845 ISP
access number where a group of people can dial in and access the
internet. With normal 0845 access you chose where to go, with a
dialer, the version of the dialer you are using, controls the URL. The
premium number is not used for linking to a website as such, but for
generating revenue. The dialer software is the element that controls
the URL.

The number 0909 9675625 belongs to the telco Norweb (Now known as TXU)
traced from
Brainstorm's STD code list
http://www.brainstorm.co.uk/utils/std-codes.txt

Oftel the UK governing body for telecoms categorises the 09 number as
"multimedia" though it tends to be used for adult.
http://www.oftel.gov.uk/publications/1995_98/numbering/nb30.htm

regards
lot-ga

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