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Subject:
To Catch A Sniper
Category: Reference, Education and News > Current Events Asked by: omniscientbeing-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
20 Oct 2002 21:28 PDT
Expires: 05 Nov 2002 15:32 PST Question ID: 85720 |
I'm interested in testing the feasibility of applying an internet research approach to solving deadly serious, real-world problemsproblems with components of ambiguity and time constraints. In this case, I'd like to collect and organize information which would be used to identify and locate the so-called "Beltway Sniper," who is currently on the loose, presumably somewhere in the greater Washington D.C. area. Im not going to list all the known facts of the case here. This is common knowledge readily available to anyone who is interested from all news sources. Here, however, from CNN.com, is a link to a summary of the sniper attacks thus far, which is a decent start: http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0210/map.sniper.trail/frameset.exclude.html You must pay attention to: all 12 incidents (9 killed and 3 wounded1 of which is currently in critical condition), the timeframe and locations in which they occurred, and all known clues (i.e. the I am God tarot card, the questionable witness reporting of a light colored van, and reliable witness accounts, possibility that the attacks are a distraction of sorts from Al Qaida or other terrorist groups). Of course you may also need to follow future incidents which have not yet occurred at the time of this writing. A knowledge of traditional criminal profiling and current police and FBI law enforcement methods is desired, but not necessary. What Im looking for is to systematically synthesize this known information in novel ways, (and if Im very, very luckyalthough I am of course not expecting this--to attract the attention of someone in the D.C. area with heretofore unknown witness information or other first-hand accounts). I am operating under the hopeful assumption that somewhere on the Internet, which we researchers all traverse and comb through most every day of our lives, are hard facts pertaining to the sniper(s). These facts, I believe, are not all located in secure servers, as with bank account information, but may be regular, every-day type sites, such as the website of the sniper(s)s employer(s), or even his personal site, or live streaming cams of public or private places, or a posted schedule of one kind or another which the sniper(s) follows. (What else can you think of?please post Comments) NOTE: When the sniper(s) is apprehended, I will compare what is known about him (its most likely a him) at that time to what was available via the internet during the killing spree, and then backtrack and see if I had searched for the right things, if those facts were available on the net, while he was still on the loose. I would try back-testing this approach for Son of Sam or Ted Bundy or another killer with a similar number of kills, but they committed their crimes before the Internet era. Today, the Internet is a household utility, and even those with no PC at home have access to the net through either work, school, mobile devices or public libraries. (Where does the sniper(s) access the net, and for what purposes?) I believe this is one of the first serial killers during the Internet-everywhere era which captivated the public by killing several people at regular intervals, which leads me to my Actual Question for all ga-researchers: [I realize there is a fair amount of set-up here, but thats because this is only part one (hopefully) of a many part Question, depending on the outcome of this first Question. Heres the Question: I want a verifiable list of all apprehended serial killers, sniper or otherwise, who killed at least 4 people one-at-a-time, 1999 or later, developed countries only (i.e. not mass-murderers who spray crowds with bullets or leave bombs, nor suicide bombers and the like, but one-act-at-a-time serial killers who liked to get away, and who were on record as killing at least 4 people, and not 3rd world cases where internet usage is not commonplace). Then, knowing everything about them that was released after their arrest, I want to know what information about them which could have led to their arrest before their last killing was available on the Internet, had you known what to search foremployers website, personal site, Church they belonged tos site, whatever. Thats all. All I care is if it was on the net during their crime spreefor example, Killer X worked during his crimes at Restaurant Y, and Restaurant Y had a website up at URL http://www.restaraunty.com during that time. [From that information, I will search the internet for that info which you provide, to see what it feels like, if you will, to enter successful patterns of search that would have worked. I will then, of course, attempt to apply that strategy to the current unsolved case, as I learn more. (Yes I know that I wouldnt have known which site to go to were it not for the info of where they worked or whatever being released after they were caught, but this is my starting point.) Thank you for your involvement, ~omniscientbeing-ga | |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: probonopublico-ga on 20 Oct 2002 23:18 PDT |
What a brilliant idea! Best of luck ... Sorry but I have nothing to contribute but I am posting this comment so that I can monitor your progress (by searching for all my postings). |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: probonopublico-ga on 21 Oct 2002 00:10 PDT |
Now, I've had a chance to think! First, the sniper is almost certainly Male. (Women are not famous either as snipers or serial killers.) And he probably lives within 15 miles of the site of his first victim. So, list all such residents (from Social Security records?) Then, list members of local gun clubs (and hunting clubs, if such things exist)because he's obviously had to practise and show off his skills somewhere. Similarly, list all local subscribers to shooting magazines, etc. Also, list all purchasers of supplies from gun shops within the region from the credit card records, as far back as the records go. (Include mail order, if he could have bought any of his supplies in this way.) Finally, list all the owners of white vans in the region. The chances are that the sniper will appear on more than one of these lists. I will be interested to see how closely he matches the above profile. |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: starrebekah-ga on 21 Oct 2002 00:36 PDT |
I've been doing lots of research on this myself... I have to for a class, I'm a forensic psychology major. I'll be more than happy to give you all of my research later (when I have more time). But chew on this for right now: 1) I agree with probonopublico that the sniper is male. Not only are men more prominently agressive type killers, they are also in better positions for sniper training (military, etc.). Also, studies have been done - very very rarely will a woman shoot someone in the head or face (cosmetic issues). 2) There seems to be a correlation (possibly accidental) with the Michael's stores. One shot was fired into a Michael's store. Two additional shots were fired at people in Michael's parking lots. Three more that I've looked at (the school, Exxon gas station, and Home Depot) were next to Michael's. You may want to check any kind of Michael's press release etc. I found one that describes the hiring of a new CEO (which made the Maryland paper on 9/29). Long shot, but possiblity. 3) Agree again with the checking of gun shops, gun training, military/police, etc. This person is obviously a trained shooter. 4) *I* believe he holds a white collar job. (Or none at all) He's intelligent, methodical - and appears to "be busy" from 10-6, 9-5. He's also confident enough to pull this type of thing off. 5) He knows the Maryland/DC/Virginia area extremely well... probably further north (considering the time it took him to plan the latest one, which was further south). Focus on these areas. 6) A police buff - you can tell by the interest in his own media, and the want/need for communication with the cops. You may want to look at records of individuals who have been discharged/fired or turned away from the force. I have more research (concrete) that I've done on this, will be happy to pass along later. I also have information relating to the other post 1999 cases you asked for.. again, I can post that tomorrow. Thanks for posting such an intriguing comment, -Rebekah PS - This may be of interest, it's excerpts of an FBI case file of a very similar sniper situation: http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/1996/aprl962.txt |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: starrebekah-ga on 21 Oct 2002 00:39 PDT |
PS - You may want to look into Thomas Dillon (or I can for you). He was a similar type of situation, a sniper in Ohio - however he had about 4-5 kills, and some of them were stretched out over time (weeks or several months). However, this was in the 1990s, getting into the internet-age. -Rebekah |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: madsky101-ga on 21 Oct 2002 07:21 PDT |
In my opinion, I think that this situation is best left to the real experts, the law enforcement community in those areas. We do NOT have access to any real evidence and it would arrogant of anyone to assume that we could track down this sick coward by using our vivid imaginations. This is a dangerous situation and I feel that we would be placing innocent people in harm's way, if we were to post unfounded theories or ideas. The media is giving enough attention to this unfortunate situation, and the public does not need to be sidetracked by an opinion that may be expressed on this website. Also, this coward seems to get satisfaction from his "celebrity status" and I do not want to contribute to his ego in any way, shape or form. As a native of Oklahoma, I know what it is like to witness terrorism. My friend was the only one in her department to survive the Oklahoma City bombing. The history books probably will never mention the name of my courageous friend, although she struggles everyday to live with the horrible flashbacks and reminders of the day that changed her life forever. Timothy McVeigh's name, however, will never be forgotten. In my opinion, that is exactly what he wanted and the reason he committed such a heinous act upon his own people. Unfortunately, this cowardly sniper has also achieved this goal, and knows that the impact he made on history will last much longer than his physical body. In my opinion, this coward is no different from McVeigh, and I will not do anything to satisfy his lust for attention. This will be my only comment on the subject, but I felt I needed to express my opinion. I hope I can persuade others to seriously consider the damage that may be caused by playing psuedo-detective. I commend anyone willing to divulge information that may help to put this coward in prison, but this is not an avenue we need to be exploring as GARs...it is dangerous. There may be someone out there that knows something, but is scared to come forward. My hope is that courage will prevail and this situation will come to an end. As for the reward, as far as I am concerned, there is not enough money in the world that would cause me to contribute anything that may help to stroke the ego of this sick coward. My thoughts and prayers are with those in the DC and surrounding areas. madsky101 |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: probonopublico-ga on 21 Oct 2002 07:47 PDT |
Madsky101 has a point but the Oklahoma incident is history and the killer has already been identified. The sniper is current and, so far not postively identified, so the friends and relatives of his victims are probably hoping and praying that everyone is doing everything in his or her power to help. |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: thx1138-ga on 21 Oct 2002 09:20 PDT |
I think we need to define the word 'sniper' The word does not necessarily mean he is an accurate shooter at great distances, and as far as I´m aware none of the shootings have been carried out over long distances. Now, what you call a great distance varies, but the longest recorded sniper hit was more than 2500 (two thousand five hundred) yards (in Vietnam) So it doesn´t necessarily follow that he´s had any formal military/police training. I think in this context the word sniper means what it says in Websters dictionary: "to shoot at exposed individuals (as of an enemy's forces) from a usually concealed point of vantage" "One entry found for snipe. "Main Entry: 2snipe Function: intransitive verb Inflected Form(s): sniped; snipˇing Date: 1832 1 : to shoot at exposed individuals (as of an enemy's forces) from a usually concealed point of vantage 2 : to aim a carping or snide attack - snipˇer noun " |
Subject:
Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: omniscientbeing-ga on 22 Oct 2002 09:26 PDT |
Sniper's latest victim has died. 10 kills. Question needs an Answer now. I have setup a calendar tool in MS Project 2000 to track the crimes, and a database in MS Access 2000 to query for specifics. |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: probonopublico-ga on 22 Oct 2002 10:04 PDT |
Hi, Are you going to make your Calendar & Database avialable to others (e.g. me)? And, if so, how? Good luck! Bryan |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: omniscientbeing-ga on 22 Oct 2002 10:28 PDT |
probonopublico, Thank you for your participation thus far, I appreciate it. There is no way to post files to Google Answers as of yet, so I can't just post them, and I don't have time to make them accessible from my own personal website right now. I will, however, share any information I glean from them in the form of the Questions I will continue to ask of the service in our attempt to catch the sniper(s). ~omnsicientbeing-ga |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: willie-ga on 22 Oct 2002 10:46 PDT |
In my reading of thrillers, I've come across the idea of a "spotter", an accomplice to a sniper who, with the aid of binoculars, tracks "targets", and also gives advice on recalibration after misses. Maybe a search on high-performance binocular sales linked to gun sales would be fruitful? Willie |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: probonopublico-ga on 22 Oct 2002 10:53 PDT |
Hi, omniscientbeing Understood! Keep up the good work, anyway. Regards Bryan |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: probonopublico-ga on 23 Oct 2002 04:56 PDT |
It was my birthday on the 22nd (Don't ask!) and I had dinner with two delightful young women: my daughters. They pointed out that most vans are white and that white vans seem to be commonplace at the scene of many crimes. |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: omniscientbeing-ga on 23 Oct 2002 07:58 PDT |
Consider monetary motives. |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: forensicchick-ga on 23 Oct 2002 21:45 PDT |
I thought that it was strange that the 'sniper' wanted law enforcement to use the phrase "caught like a duck in a noose." I've never heard this phrase ever before, so wanted to see where it originated. The only reference I found to it, was in old Native American folklore. You can read the tale here: http://tsalagi-l.net/rabduck.html Also, I'm wondering, do any of you know if this is a hunting reference? -Forensic Chick |
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Re: To Catch A Sniper
From: omniscientbeing-ga on 30 Oct 2002 09:12 PST |
Well, it seems our Snipers have been caught. I'm going to be closing this Question unless someone answers it soon, but I thought I would post a final comment and thank everyone here for their participation in this experimental trial. If you should like to answer the question by summarizing what could have been found online about the snipers from what is known now, I will gladly accept that. ~omniscientbeing-ga |
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