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Scanning to produce small .pdf format files
Category: Computers Asked by: web7-ga List Price: $7.00 |
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21 Oct 2002 21:00 PDT
Expires: 20 Nov 2002 20:00 PST Question ID: 86284 |
PROBLEM: Many of my Email recipeints cannot open .TIF, .JPG, .BMP, or .PNG files I send as Email attachments. Yet, when I scan a page and save the image as a .pdf file, a 1-page scan produces a 1.4 MB file. Yet .pdf files I receive are as small as 50 KB. QUESTION: How do I get my new HP-5470c scanner to produce small .pdf format files that I can send via Email which almost everyone can open, view and print? Or is there some format that is small, almost universal, and better to use than .pdf format? MY HARDWARE & SOFTWARE: I have a new HP-5470c scanner with the following scanning software: Precisionscan, PaperPort, ScanDirect, ACDSee, Corel Print Office 5, and Microsoft Office Document Imaging. Thank you, WEB7 |
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Re: Scanning to produce small .pdf format files
Answered By: leapinglizard-ga on 22 Oct 2002 16:54 PDT Rated: ![]() |
Most email client programs should allow the user to view files in all the formats you've mentioned. Some of your correspondents may be inhibited not by the file format, but by their lack of experience in opening attachments of any kind. You may wish to refer them to a web tutorial on this subject. Computertim Technologies FAQ opening email attachments using Microsoft Outlook http://www.computertim.com/howto/article.php?topic=outlook&idn=73 Seattle Pacific University Computer Help opening email attachments using Microsoft Explorer http://www.spu.edu/help/email/attachments.html Silicon Connections FAQ opening email attachments using Netscape Communicator http://www-old.silcon.com/howto/faqattnet.htm The reason you're used to receiving small PDF files is that they are typically generated from text files, which contain little data apart from some typesetting information and the text itself. In contrast, graphics files such as the kind you're converting to PDF contain a great deal of visual data, which tend to occupy much more space than those concerned with text. Your best bet is to use a compressed graphics format, such as .JPG, that will squeeze the information into less space while doing its best to preserve the appearance of the file. You may also reduce file size by lowering your scanning resolution; for further guidance, consult the documentation that came with your scanning software. If you insist on using .PDF, I can only recommend that you compress your files to reduce their size. By using the compression utility that comes with every copy of Windows, you ensure that anyone who knows how to uncompress attachments and can deal with the .PDF format will be able to read what you send them. Your space savings will depend on the nature of the graphics you are compressing. Microsoft Help compressing files and folders in Windows XP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/tips/october/edwards1.asp Smart Computing Learning Series how to compress and uncompress files http://www.smartcomputing.com/editcat/ SMART/STORAGE/158/11971/ Keywords used: how to open email attachments how to compress files windows how to uncompress files windows Regards, leapinglizard | |
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web7-ga
rated this answer:![]() The answer was very informative and provided good links, although it did not provide a specific solution to the basic question. I'll follow his/her suggestions and see what happens. WEB7 |
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Re: Scanning to produce small .pdf format files
From: lot-ga on 21 Oct 2002 22:10 PDT |
Hello web7-ga, PDF's can be created in two ways. 1. Vector graphics in a program such as Adobe Illustrator, Corel Draw. These files can be very small, and these are the ones you probably receive. 2. Bitmap graphics created in a program like Adobe Photoshop or other paint program / scan. These files are very big in comparison with vector graphics. To reduce size the graphics can be compressed as tif or jpg in the application you use to save the PDF file. Generally speaking, the smallest file size for scans of text documents (with simple diagrams) is .gif format. This reduces the size considerably especially if you reduce redundant colors from your file. For example if your scanned document only contained 10 colours it would be pointless saving the full 256 colors that .gif is capable of, it just bumps up the file size. By taking out the other 246 colors that are 'not used', the file size is reduced without any noticable reduction in image quality. You can compare file sizes of your PDF file with a gif file and see. For simple documents like text, and flat colours, gif files are smaller, for photographic images jpg is smaller. Sirius Web describes the formats http://www.siriusweb.com/tutorials/gifvsjpg Pacificsites too http://www.pacificsites.com/~chrisk/graphics/b06mn40.htm Web Photojournals http://www.webphotojournals.com/gifvsjpeg.htm As to scan resolution, as a rule of thumb you should scan in at 300 dpi for documents to be printed and 72 dpi for documents to be viewed on screen only (to reduce file size). Search Strategy: gif vs jpg ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&newwindow=1&c2coff=1&q=gif+vs+jpg Kind regards lot-ga |
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Re: Scanning to produce small .pdf format files
From: funkywizard-ga on 21 Oct 2002 22:26 PDT |
I would have to say that among users who can access the internet, JPG files are indeed the most universal. Since you have stated this is a problem, I would think it would be possible to embed a .jpg file into a psd, thereby making the psd file not much bigger than the .jpg would have been. Your 1.4 meg files are probably a result of the program you use to make pfds does not compress the images. If your users can open .zip files, you might try zipping the pfds, as this would significantly reduce filesize. |
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Re: Scanning to produce small .pdf format files
From: madmonk-ga on 22 Oct 2002 15:02 PDT |
Is the problem with your recipients not having software to view these attachments? If so (and they use PCs), send them (or get them to download) Irfanview which will allow them to view all these - and many more - file formats. Of course - there might be other reasons for them not being able to view your files. However, if your documents are text the best answer is to recreate them somehow - maybe using OCR as a start point. Simple, pure text pdfs can be very small - especially if they do not embed fonts. Even containing small graphics they can be compact if prepared correctly (I have found pngs to work well in pdfs). |
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Re: Scanning to produce small .pdf format files
From: gan-ga on 24 Oct 2002 12:50 PDT |
Hi Web7-ga, One workaround I have used occasionally is to use some form of optical character recognition (OCR) software on the scanned document. This only works for pages which consist purely of simply formatted text (i.e. no complex tabulation of data etc), but can produce a very small _text_ file from a large file-size image scan. You may then use ghostview & postscript printer driver software (printer itself not needed) to create a .pdf from the text document, which is considerably cheaper than using the full version of Acrobat. Obviously this method is limited to a very specific type of document, but I hope it might be of some use. Extra information: "...Creating a pdf..." http://www.eea-esem2002.it/esem/pdf.html http://pdf995.com/ Quote: "The pdf995 suite of products is a complete solution for your document publishing needs, offering ease of use, flexibility in format, and industry-standard security. And all at no cost to you. Pdf995 is the fast, affordable way to create professional-quality documents in the popular PDF file format. Its easy-to-use interface allows you to create PDF files by simply selecting the "print" command from any application, creating documents which can be viewed on any computer with a PDF viewer." Hope it helps :) |
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Re: Scanning to produce small .pdf format files
From: mplungjan-ga on 25 Oct 2002 05:36 PDT |
Strange comments... Scanned images in 300dpi b/w tiff will best be stored in ccitt g4 compressed data inside the pdf - that is a filesize of around 10-100K per page where the average for a normal page of text is around 40k This is what I would expect the scanner to do. My guess is a setting or such does not save it as 300dpi but rather at 1400 or so. You did not tell us which of the software listed is the one you use to save as pdf from. Michel |
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Re: Scanning to produce small .pdf format files
From: krakilin2001-ga on 27 Oct 2002 03:56 PST |
If you still want to worry about a smaller file. You can use PrecisionScan's OCR (optical character recognition). When you press the scan button on your scanner select Microsoft Word under scan to. Make sure 'Select parts of page or View page first' is checked. Once the scan is finished select the text area you wish to capture and click 'Accept'. To go any farther from here you will have to purchase the full version of Acrobat. If you have it then open up the scanned Word document and go to File, Print. As your printer select either Acrobat Distiller or Adobe PDFWriter. Either of these will save to a PDF for you. Good luck! |
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Re: Scanning to produce small .pdf format files
From: passthemustard-ga on 28 Oct 2002 23:44 PST |
Actually I do this quite often myself and I can consistently get two, 8.5x11", B&W pages under 90K in .pdf format. [leapinglizard] is right in that you will get smaller pdf files if generated from electronic text, like as from MS Word using Adobe PDFWriter, but you can still get smaller pdfs than you are getting now by scanning. The pdf format (postscript) by it's very file encoding structure is very compressable. That's why it's so popular in the first place as a defacto document standard. It's your scanning that is causing the bloat. When you scan, tell the HP PrecisionScan applet to scan at Black&White/1-bit/300dpi. The preview window will make it look "dirty", but the finished product will be ok. This is the preferred combination for B&W text documents. You most likely are scanning greyscale or full-color mode, which unecessarily adds size to your file. Try it. |
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Re: Scanning to produce small .pdf format files
From: davidtalmage-ga on 25 Nov 2002 18:07 PST |
You could use the OCR program that probably came with your scanner to convert your scanned page to text to reduce its size. |
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Re: Scanning to produce small .pdf format files
From: helpers-ga on 02 May 2003 02:57 PDT |
I guess this is a bit late - but you can use the free software "Save to PDF" (http://www.savetopdf.com/). It adds a virtual printer to your Windows system. A PDF-file will be printed when you "print" to this printer. So in your case you'd use the process; 1.) scan, 2.) print and 3.) voilą - the PDF! :-) |
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Re: Scanning to produce small .pdf format files
From: helpers-ga on 02 May 2003 02:58 PDT |
Correction to my comment - a PDF file will be CREATED, not PRINTED :-) |
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