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Subject:
Human preference for privacy when having sex?
Category: Relationships and Society > Romance Asked by: thetapir-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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29 Oct 2002 14:27 PST
Expires: 28 Nov 2002 14:27 PST Question ID: 92460 |
Why do humans (usually) strongly prefer privacy when making love? |
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Re: Human preference for privacy when having sex?
From: innovate-ga on 29 Oct 2002 15:47 PST |
Probably because they are physically vulnerable at that time. Also another suitor is less likely to take advantage of the situation. |
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Re: Human preference for privacy when having sex?
From: omniscientbeing-ga on 29 Oct 2002 16:18 PST |
It's also illegal to engage in sexual acts while in public, in most developed places worldwide. |
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Re: Human preference for privacy when having sex?
From: arlenegreen-ga on 29 Oct 2002 16:18 PST |
Not all humans do require privacy. Amongst certain primitive peoples sex is not something that is relegated to the hidden or the shameful and thus there is not a default need for privacy. In Western civilization the need for privacy is mostly a function of the Puritan/Judeo-Christian idea that sex is a necessary evil that one does not speak of. I don't have time to look right now but I will come back with links. In the meantime I suggest you look to sociology for your answers. The comment above, while not invalid (there are certain camps in evolutionary psychology that will back this up) isn't the whole of the answer. As thinking animals the reasons for the need for privacy is much more complex than fear of rape/competition. |
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Re: Human preference for privacy when having sex?
From: thetapir-ga on 30 Oct 2002 01:36 PST |
Well, animals would be just as vulnerable during the act, yet they don't seem to seek privacy to the extent humans do. As for illegality, I strongly suspect that its illegality stems from some more basic and ancient reason ... As far as puritanical Judeo-Christianity is concerned, I'd be willing to bet that adherents of other religions, like Hindus, Buddhists, etc. feel the same way, and probably have for many centuries. I continue to contend that a desire to be alone among amorous couples is virtually (although not completely) universal. The question is (as it is so often): "Why"? |
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Re: Human preference for privacy when having sex?
From: thetapir-ga on 30 Oct 2002 13:40 PST |
Incidentally, arlenegreen-ga, I look forward to your providing some evidence for your two unsubstantiated assertions, viz: "Amongst certain primitive peoples sex is not something that is relegated to the hidden or the shameful and thus there is not a default need for privacy." "In Western civilization the need for privacy is mostly a function of the Puritan/Judeo-Christian idea that sex is a necessary evil that one does not speak of." Looking forward to seeing your evidence! BTW, I'm surprised to hear that sex is not spoken of in Western/Puritan/Judeo-Christian Civilization, as I seem to pick up several references to sex every day. Answer soon! |
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Re: Human preference for privacy when having sex?
From: jonathanweaver-ga on 01 Nov 2002 17:58 PST |
The best-argued contention goes: Because they were selected for that preference. Although indeed a marvel of engineering, humans are amazingly poorly adapted for competitive existence when compared with other extant organisms like tigers and other primates. An adult male green monkey (30 inches tall, weighing about as many pounds) can generally wrestle into flight or submission an adult human male six times his weight. A 60-pound baboon can do it every time, against every human. On natural terrestrial surfaces without trees or caves, a tiger can catch/kill/eat essentially any single unarmed human. All three of those non-human species gestate faster than, and reach adulthood at least twice as fast as, the human. So why have humans lasted at all? From a selective viewpoint, the chief distinguishing advantages of the human are its two opposable digits (which vastly simplify toolmaking) and its two large brain hemispheres. Although much of to-day's human society has developed from the oversized frontal lobes' abnormal capacity for sequential and spatial abstraction, the strongest particular evolutionary advantage conveyed by the human brain is the ability to act in larger tribes. (Ironically, this appears to derive chiefly from the prefrontal lobes -- making humans' frontal-lobe-derived generative and abstractive abilities a breathtaking coincidence.) The ability of the individual human organism to act as a member of a larger clan than competitor species can tolerate allows far greater specialisation -- which enables the development, over dozens of generations, of significant variety in cognitive approach and environmental response. (Interesting side note: that is also, probably, why substantive subpopulations of humans seem to have been selected for what we term to-day as 'depressive' affects and 'hyperactive' attention patterns.) But in a large group of cognitively-enabled, social, sexual organisms, copulation can be distracting to more than just those involved in the act. The collective reason why humans prefer to copulate in relative seclusion is the same reason why human females (unlike those of many other primate species) give no overtly recognisable signal that they are ovulating. Selectively speaking, that's an astonishingly stupid omission if sheer numeric reproduction is the only goal. The groups of protohumans who probably didn't mind who watched (e.g. Neanderthals?) were at a greater disadvantage than their mere cranial capacity would indicate. They likely possessed more 'savage', more natural, more easygoing attitudes toward sex. But sex's overriding importance to the sexual human animal meant that a greater portion of each organism's attention was called to that activity by copulation all around. (They also, probably, could not as readily abstract sex from other aspects of life -- possibly a justification for the larger Cro-Magnon [et al] frontal lobes and their greater executive/selective/inhibitory capabilities?) So the tribes whose members could more readily focus on making good tools prospered, at the expense of those tribes whose members' attentions were more often called to reproductive activity because it took place within their sensory range. An alternate (possibly complementary; keep reading) explanation lies in the relative 'fidelity' of human mating couplings. A good case can be made that humans are just about in the centre of the primate 'fidelity' continuum. In primates, you can draw a very strong correlation between (a) the average male's penis-size-relative-to-body-size and (b) the likelihood that a given female will copulate with a male other than her established mate. By comparison with other primates, the human is about in the middle of both the (a) and (b) spectra. The argument goes that primates with larger penises are those more likely to seek sexual coupling outside established relationships (which are a feature of essentially all primate societies). It has been mechanically demonstrated that larger primate penises are more effective at pumping competitor semen away from the cervical terminus of the vaginal cavity. Of course, the unusually large brain of the human means that (1) bearing young becomes an incredibly strenuous exercise for the mother and (2) a new organism must lead its first years of life in a hopelessly dependent state by comparison even with the other (laughingly-helpless) newborn primates. One might essay that nature selected only those human males with a predisposition to support their mates and offspring for numerous years following the copulative act. One might also argue that nature selected human females with an astute ability to choose their supportive, and copulative, mates independently of one another. Particularly in light of the second argument, discreet copulation would seem to be a successful, individually evolved propagation strategy. If you're Judeo-Christian, you might just chalk it up to God's preferences (cf. Genesis). If you're Muslim, you might take it as a sign that lewdness is a sin in God's eyes (cf. An-Nisah). An interesting follow-on question would be 'Why are all adult sexual primates so unable to ignore the act when they can tell it's happening nearby?' I don't have a satisfying answer to that one, and probably wouldn't try. |
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Re: Human preference for privacy when having sex?
From: bobtherat-ga on 05 Nov 2002 12:11 PST |
The explanation above is very good. The fidelity issue is the the most often taught in anthropology and primatology classes. In many primate societies, infanticied is a very common trait, expecially if another male has "won" another female who currently has children. By killing her children, the male is given a chance to inpreganate the female with his own children, thus passing on his own genes. This is selfish gene theory. Therefore, it is always in the mother's interest to mate in private, so that her future (or current) mate will not know whether or not he is the father of the females children, and will thus a) no kill them and b) bring them up as if they were his own. |
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Re: Human preference for privacy when having sex?
From: claudietta-ga on 11 Nov 2002 13:43 PST |
Dear thetapir, I am not an expert on sexuality, although I've heard many of my evolutionary arguments listed above. What follows is my personal opinion on the matter. Conclusion: Preference for privacy is a social construct inasmuch as marriage and monogamy are social constructs. [In fact, I could also argue that marriage itself drives privacy .but that is another argument.] Assumptions 1. Today's humans tend to have sex for recreational or entertainment reasons. 2. Humans are social/cooperative beings. 3. Sexual drive is very instinctually driven, especially for males. Argument: If two humans were out having sex in front of say other humans, specifically males, then since sex is enjoyable in front of others, the would be considered an inconsiderate/antisocial behavior since not all observing could enjoy in this sexual enjoyment at the same moment in time. (It's almost the same reason for why are compelled to offer food to those observing us eat, especially if they are hungry.) If a couple does not offer to enjoy in the entertainment (or need) of the moment to those observing, then we run into the risk of being ostracized when the tables are reversed. This follows because we are cooperative beings. ---------- I would welcome for you to tell me what you (or anyone) think about this. I thought about this very question a while back, when I attended a very sexually charged event in a highly "proper" gathering in a foreign country. Claudietta |
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Re: Human preference for privacy when having sex?
From: claudietta-ga on 11 Nov 2002 14:51 PST |
...and I would like to add that I've been to Latin American countries, where people are practically doing "it" in the parks. I think that the reason they don't do it in private (as is socially dictated) is that they live with their parents and have no private place to do it. And the reason they don't fully do it merely that they would be put in jail or socially ridiculed. I think that if it weren't for social reasons, we'd probably all be out there doing it! Claudietta |
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