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Subject:
Are multiple urls with the same content considered spam?
Category: Computers > Internet Asked by: craiggae-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
31 Oct 2002 13:59 PST
Expires: 30 Nov 2002 13:59 PST Question ID: 94640 |
QUESTION: If search engines find multiple urls with the same content, do they consider this spam? BACKGROUND We've hired a firm to optimize our web site. They recommend we change the url http://www.ssec.honeywell.com/microwave to something like http://www.ssec.honeywell.com/advanced-microwave-components-manufacturer Rather than simply renaming the file (and creating a 404 Not Found error), I proposed we create a symbolic link (symlink) so both urls always return the same content. They replied that Search Engines might view this as spamming. I've read Google's "Dos and Don't for Webmasters" ://www.google.com/webmasters/dos.html but this does not appear to prohibit symlinks. If Google does consider this spam, would listing the old url in our robots.txt file http://www.ssec.honeywell.com/robots.txt buy us forgiveness? I am really just looking for the "right" way to retire a url without loosing traffic or creating 404 errors. FOLLOW-UP QUESTION They recommended we use a redirect instead, and claim that a redirect in less than 30 seconds would also be considered spam. <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="30;URL=http://www.ssec.honeywell.com/advanced-microwave-components-manufacturer/"> I think 30 seconds is too long. Are they right? |
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Re: Are multiple urls with the same content considered spam?
Answered By: alexander-ga on 31 Oct 2002 18:21 PST |
The exact methods used to refine search results are, for obvious reasons, a trade secret. However, I can understand why two pages on the same server with identical content would be considered an attempt to artificially increase ranking. Ideally, the search engine should only substantially decrease the ranking of all but one of these pages, which would not influence the remaining page's ranking. A redirection *page* is similar, as in the end, you have more than one web page with the same ultimate content. "I am really just looking for the 'right' way to retire a url without loosing traffic or creating 404 errors." Indeed you are. And the right way to do this is via an HTTP Redirect. Instead of your web server returning a page, it returns a status code that says "301 Moved Permanently". (RFC 2616, section 10.3.2: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt ) The method for making this happen can vary between web servers, but many allow you to add the following line to the ".htaccess" file in your public web directory (you can create this file if it does not exist): Redirect permanent /microwave /advanced-microwave-components-manufacturer All browsers will instantly follow the link through, so you won't lose any traffic. This sort of thing happens all the time, and there is no reason for a search engine to consider this spam -- it will follow through the redirect as well (the prior page simply no longer exists), and only index the new page. | |
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Re: Are multiple urls with the same content considered spam?
From: brightshadow-ga on 31 Oct 2002 15:11 PST |
I can't say that I've EVER seen a redirect with a timer that long. Typically, the redirect timer is set around 5 seconds or so, with a simple message about "This page has been moved. If you are not redirected to the correct link within 10 seconds, please <link>click here</link>." I don't see how EITHER solution would be considered spam, honestly. Both pages are listed on the same domain, and would be categorized by Google in a group; if both pages contain identical or virtually identical content, Google would automatically crop one of the results (whichever is older, i would guess) and only display the newer of the two pages. Spam, in my book, is unsolicited email. There are other similarly aggravating offenses (pop-up, pop-over, pop-under, or flash ads, for example) but having two URLs on the same server that display the same content is certainly not one of them, IMO. |
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Re: Are multiple urls with the same content considered spam?
From: funkywizard-ga on 31 Oct 2002 17:10 PST |
a redirect would be fine, so long as the redirect page doesnt have any hidden text or metatags in it. it would also help to add the file to your robots file. it doesnt matter how long the redirect. the symlink would be considered spam by at least a few search engines, but i have no idea about google (the most important one to get into besides yahoo) |
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