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Subject:
Surge protectors
Category: Computers > Hardware Asked by: dispensa-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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04 Nov 2002 08:03 PST
Expires: 04 Dec 2002 08:03 PST Question ID: 98250 |
I have to buy surge suppressors for a lab. What are the criteria I should look for in a surge protector? In particular, if I buy 1 750-Joule Belkin suppressor per computer for 15 computers, is that as good as a single 10,000 Joule supporessor for the whole lab? | |
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Re: Surge protectors
Answered By: krobert-ga on 08 Nov 2002 10:21 PST |
dispensa-ga, Well... after reading your clarification and all the comments below, I'm going to bite down and try to provide you with a satisfactory answer on this one. The simple answer to your last question is this: Imagine the electrical system in your lab was to receive a line spike due to nearby lightining striking a power transformer that feeds your lab. The power of this spike is 1000 Joules at the outlets feeding your computers. 10 of your computers are on 750-Joule suppressors and 10 are on 1500-Joule suppressors. Each computer with the 750-Joule suppressor will fail permanently... they weren't able to absorb the spike. The computers with the 1500-Joule rated suppressor will keep on functioning normally. If they have fuses that get blown (e.g., the suppressors have fuses that protect the varistor), they may shut off your computers temporarily, but they didn't fail... they WORKED! You don't have to replace those. ALL of the suppressors did what you needed them to do... they protected the computer equipment from getting zapped. Bye bye to the word document that you were working on, but your computer can still boot up! I would suggest this... If you don't know it personally, talk to someone who has used or supervised the lab over a period of time. If they can tell you that they have been replacing a lot of suppressors with 750-joule ratings... you need a better rated suppressor. Simple as that. Think about what you are buying... suppressors are -risk management-. If you are unsure about things, get good quality suppressors for the expensive computers in the lab. If things are stored locally on any particular computer, you probably want to protect them better than the i486-computer in the back of the room that acts as a dummy terminal to a major server. Get it? If you need a solution that allows the computers to keep running while absorbing a spike, your going to need to look at Uninterruptible Power Supplies (UPS). I hope this provides you with some guidance on this topic. Be sure to request a clarification if you need it. krobert-ga | |
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Subject:
Re: Surge protectors
From: denco-ga on 04 Nov 2002 23:15 PST |
You probably want to go beyond a surge suppressor for a lab environment, and maybe look at UPSs with power conditioners, etc. As is often with such things, the amount that you have to spend will greatly (and unfortunately) determine the type and amount of protection you get. No, putting a 750 Joule suppressor on each computer is not the same as a central 10,000 Joule suppressor; from: http://www.suttondesigns.com/doctext/surgco.htm Definition: 1 joule = 1 watt-second = 1 (volt*amp)-second. This is a measurement of the energy absorbing capacity of a given unit. The 10,000 Joule suppressor will afford greater overall protection that the individual 750 Joule suppressor. More info at: http://frentzandsons.com/content/howto/wiring_part4.htm But there are things to be concerned with other than lightning strikes, such as low voltage, high voltage, power "flickers", etc. There are things to take into consideration other than Joule ratings, such as the design of the suppressor and its features such as alarms, etc. Depending on your budget, you can get into line conditioners and UPS with AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulation) such as ones that Belkin makes, etc. These things can be applied to an entire lab at one central point (regulating/conditioning, etc. the power before it gets to the lab) or on a "per station" basis, again, depending on budget. |
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Re: Surge protectors
From: ldavinci-ga on 05 Nov 2002 14:07 PST |
Actually surge suppressors are meant for protecting electrical equipment from transient surges(It cannot protect against continued high voltages or against brownouts-continued low voltages). It is more suitable for glitches on the power line caused by transmission equipment malfunctioning or due to lightning strike(not a direct one). It is connected in parallel to the appliance and acts as a short circuit when excess voltage appears across the power terminals and dissipates the excess energy as heat(which is being referd by the joule rating of the device). It does not help in connecting muliple devices in parallel(since the strike voltage is not very precise and will endup overloading a single device instead) to increase the joule rating. It would be just sufficient to add one device(with very high joule rating) at the power panel where the power enters the premise. This will not offcouse protect the equipments due to high voltages produced by one of the equipment malfunctioning(which is rare, unless the connected equipment is highly inductive such as a motor to produce high back emfs). A combination of the spike suppressor(one in the panel) and individual circuit breakers and a fast acting fuses at the equipment would be a better choice for protecting a large number of computer equipment. It might also help to add a single line filter before the spike suppressor to slow down the response of large spikes and to reduce rf/emi noise from entering supply line and result in malfuctioning of the computer devices attached. |
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Re: Surge protectors
From: dispensa-ga on 05 Nov 2002 15:32 PST |
To clarify, my hypothesis is this: Assume a computer lab with 15 computers. There are two different surges that can occur if I understand the situation: a current (i.e. amp) surge and a voltage surge. The two are related, of course, so maybe that previous sentence doesn't make much sense. Regardless, both current and voltage divide proportionally over the number of paths. If I had only one computer plugged into the power feed, it would absorb the entire current/voltage spike. If, on the other hand, I had 15 computers plugged in (in parallel) to the same power feed circuit, I'd have 1/15 of the voltage/current distributed to each workstation - electricity 101, right? (or wrong?) Anyway, by that math, to get surge suppression for the entire lab equivalent to 750 Joules at each station, I'd need 15 * 750 = 11,250 Joules of protection. All of the suppressors I'm looking at are <330V leak-through voltage models, so that basically factors out. As usual, I'm on a tight budget, and it really will play a big role in my decision. All things being equal, the 15 750-Joule Belkin suppressors are cheaper than a 10KJ panel-mount unit. One last thing - What order of magnitude of watts/joules/volts/amps/whatever is a lightning strike? What numbers do people have in mind when they say "direct lightning strike" or "not a direct strike", etc... ? This is a more interesting question than I thought. :-) |
Subject:
Re: Surge protectors
From: ldavinci-ga on 05 Nov 2002 16:37 PST |
Actually you are right on the mathematics AND wrong on the assumed parallel distribution of the surge. The spike suppressor is equivalent to a zener diode(if you know what I mean), You cannot parallel two spike suppressors to provide a combined joule dissipation. Only the weakest(the one having the lowest leak through-say 321V) of all is going to take the entire load. Also surge happens in a very short time(that being the reason for a the nano second switching time specified for suppressors). Also surge does not get distributed as a normal current would(do you know why the ground conductor for a lightning arrestor need to be as straight as possible?). Having parallel protection would help provided the surge is well within the joule capacity of a single surge protection unit and is not recurring. Having many surge protection units just gives a false sense of security(ie. if one surge protector malfunctions, atleast the others will work). If you are really inclined to reduce the cost, you could build one using parallel surge protectors separated by very low inductance coils, the surge suppressor elements itself being shunted by low value high voltage bipolar caps. This arrangement will provide better protection both for single event/recurring surges and also will help reduce the cost of replacing burnt out suppressor elements(few at a time). Eventhough a current surge is possible, it does not occur without a voltage surge(current is equal to the amount of water flowing in a tube, where the pressure on the line is the voltage. Without sufficient pressure on the line, you cannot increase the water flow on the line without a change in the pressure). Now coming to the lightning strike, by direct hit I mean the lightning directly passes through the connected equipment to the ground. In general it will be several thousands(if not millions) of kilo joules and you can do nothing about it. A indirect strike is the sudden increase in the supply line due to the ligtning completing its path somewhere else on the same line, or due to sudden burnt out of a supply transformer leading to inductive surge. The light dischage tubes(that are part of television tuners) does not protect against this type of discharge but does help in the one that occurs prior to active lightning(corona discharge due to charged cloud passing over the antenna, but has not accumulated enough charge to cause a strike). If you really want to protect your equipment from a direct strike, lightning arrestor is the only choice(apart from totally disconnecting the equipment from the electrical outlets). |
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Re: Surge protectors
From: ldavinci-ga on 05 Nov 2002 16:52 PST |
BTW the link mentioned by denco-ga http://frentzandsons.com/content/howto/wiring_part4.htm says the surge suppressor uses a capacitor that acts as a sponge. This is totally incorrect. Surge supressors use electronic metal oxide varistors(varistor meaning variable resistance). As long as the surge is within joule rating of the surge protector it will continue to function without "soaking" up any charge. When an excessive surge strikes, it overwhelms the heat dissipation capacity of the varistor element, so that it overheats leading to physical damage(burnt connection within the element) |
Subject:
Re: Surge protectors
From: ldavinci-ga on 05 Nov 2002 16:55 PST |
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