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Origin of common phrase
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: agerard-ga List Price: $4.00 |
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01 May 2002 21:29 PDT
Expires: 08 May 2002 21:29 PDT Question ID: 10042 |
What is the origin of the phrase, "In like Flynn"? |
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Re: Origin of common phrase
Answered By: katwoman-ga on 01 May 2002 22:31 PDT Rated: |
Hi agerard, When I read your question, my first thought was that the expression was related to Australian-born actor Errol Flynn. Flynn was quite the ladies' man and, according to Wordorigins.com, the term was popularized in the mid-1940's because of his reputation for sexual prowess and because "everything came easy to him on the silver screen." There are also ties to Errol Flynn and the phrase that make reference to his 1943 acquittal for the statutory rape of a teenage girl. Word Origins http://www.wordorigins.org/wordori.htm Roots Web http://www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/meanings.htm While this seems to be the prevailing theory about the origin of the phrase, as it turns out, this is *not* correct. On THE ALT.USAGE.ENGLISH FAQ FILE by Mark Israel, the phrase's first meaning is listed as "in favour, assured of success, in an enviable position." Israel goes on to state that "Some writers allege that it originated in allusion to Edward Joseph "Boss" Flynn (1892-1953), a campaign manager for the U.S. Democratic party during Franklin Delano Roosevelt's presidency. Flynn's machine was so successful at winning elections that his candidates seemed to be in office automatically." http://www.english-usage.com/faq.html#fxinlike This is confirmed on World Wide Words, where they also point out that: Barry Popik of the American Dialect Society found an example from 1940, as well as this from the sports section of the San Francisco Examiner of 8 February 1942: "Answer these questions correctly and your name is Flynn, meaning you're in, provided you have two left feet and the written consent of your parents". To judge from a newspaper reference he turned up from early 1943, the phrase could by then also be shortened to I'm Flynn, meaning "I'm in". http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-inl1.htm All of the sites that I found (even the ones that incorrectly tie the origin of the expression to Errol Flynn) acknowledge the confusion over the phrase because of the 1967 movie "In Like Flint," which took its title as a wordplay on "In like Flynn" and caused many people to mistakenly believe that the phrase was originally "In like Flint." Search terms used: etymology "in like flynn" OR "In like Flynn" OR "In Like Flynn" on Google ://www.google.com/search?q=etymology+%22in+like+flynn%22+OR+%22In+like+Flynn%22+OR+%22In+Like+Flynn%22 and on Yahoo! http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=etymology+%22in+like+flynn%22+OR+%22In+like+Flynn%22+OR+%22In+Like+Flynn%22 Google category: Etymology http://directory.google.com/Top/Reference/Dictionaries/Etymology/?tc=1 Hope this "clears things up" for 'ya, Katwoman |
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Katwoman gave me an amazingly thorough answer. Though I used this as more of a test to see how Google Answers worked, it is definitely a worthwhile "search" for certain circumstances. |
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Re: Origin of common phrase
From: huntsman-ga on 02 May 2002 02:03 PDT |
agerard, The "Official Errol Flynn Web Site", owned by his daughter Rory Flynn (now deceased) and grandsons Sean and Luke, makes the following statement about the phrase "In like Flynn": You Are In Like Flynn http://www.inlikeflynn.com/ "We get a lot of questions regarding the origination of the phrase "In Like Flynn" (excerpted from http://www.urbanlegends.com/language/etymology/in_like_flynn.html) The phrase "In like Flynn" originated as a coarse reference to Errol Flynn's powers as a seducer. In November, 1942, Flynn was charged with statutory rape, arrested and brought to trial, then acquitted. He was charged with having sexual intercourse with two girls under the age of 18. (He was 33 at the time). It was Flynn's belief that the Los Angeles district attorney had made him a scapegoat for Hollywood in order to discipline the film community. Jerry Giesler (Flynn's ace lawyer) considered Flynn an excellent witness and thought that his "gentlemanly demeanor throughout the trial had been an important factor". A new phrase was added to the English language: "In like Flynn"." Further details about the rape charges and trial can be found in a Flynn biography at: http://www.warriorfilmmakers.com/errolflynn/ There are some "we-were-there" testimonials of the time that support the Errol Flynn origin of "in like Flynn": The Straight Dope Does "in like Flynn" refer to Errol Flynn's success with women? 06-Sep-1996 http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_156.html It's easily possible that the public's perception of Errol Flynn has been accepted as historical reality. Always presented by the Hollywood PR machine as a lady killer, Flynn's film career began when he was 26 with "In The Wake of the Bounty" (1935), and continued with popular hits like "Captain Blood" (1935), "The Charge of the Light Brigade" (1936), "The Adventures of Robin Hood" (1938), and many others. I think you could safely say he was widely regarded as a hunk well before his 1942 trial. Filmography: http://www.inlikeflynn.com/film.html Check out the devilish grin here: http://www.reelclassics.com/Actors/Flynn/images2/flynn_faceshot.jpg and here: http://www.warriorfilmmakers.com/errolflynn/bioef.jpg Mothers and fathers, with images like these floating before your eyes, would you trust this man with your daughter? Or your daughter with this man? Whatever the final truth, Errol Flynn's screen persona helped to create some great films. My favorite is "The Adventures of Robin Hood" from 1938: over 60 years later it's still the best swashbuckler. Robin Hood review: http://www.filmsite.org/adve.html Hope this helps, huntsman |
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Re: Origin of common phrase
From: zo-ga on 03 May 2002 17:09 PDT |
Errol Flynn certainly was a famous entertainer but his career dates back into history rather a long way. So given the popularity and widespread general modern recognition of that phrase it's difficult to see why something from such bygone times should still be so well-remembered today. Perhaps the link is not directly with Errol Flynn. During the 1960's a sequel to the popular "Our Man Flint" movie was made and the title was "In Like Flint." The main character Derek Flint (a tough and capable secret agent) superficially differed from Flynn's swashbuckling pirate roles but in essence the similarity was clear, right down perhaps to the choice of movie title. So I suspect that whatever the real origins of the "In Like..." phrase it is the James Coburn movie that has popularised it in modern times rather than Errol Flynn himself. Whenever I have actually heard the phrase spoken it has always been "Flint" not "Flynn." http://www.teleport-city.com/movies/reviews/action/flint.html |
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